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Obama dips a toe in the water

Submitted by Simon on Wed, 01/17/2007 - 4:28pm

Obama's in for '08:

[I]t's not the magnitude of our problems that concerns me the most. It's the smallness of our politics ... our leaders in Washington seem incapable of working together in a practical, common sense way. Politics has become so bitter and partisan, so gummed up by money and influence, that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions.

And that's what we have to change first.

We have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans.

He's full of it. As I observed last month, the Obama proponents' idea that "[m]any voters want to get beyond the stale culture-war issues fought over by rival camps of baby boomers," this

"can't we all just agree to disagree" stuff[,] is an appealing but facile façade. These are not issues that are going away; everyone wants to get beyond them, but "everyone" wants to get beyond them by way of the sort of compromise that Packers fans might have agreed to in Superbowl XXXI: neither side scoring in the 4th Quarter ain't much of a compromise when you're ahead in the 3rd. Liberals own the status quo in the culture wars, so for Obama to come in and say "guys, just forget about this stuff" comes over as just a transparent attempt to close out any more plays.

Politics hasn't gotten bitter and partisan because of "money" or "influence," they've gotten bitter and partisan because there are real and serious divisions in the country, and these bitter divisions are reflected by sending partisan representatives to Congress. This fluffy Unity '08 stuff has a ring of truthiness; it's the same "any problem can be fixed by hard work and brute force, so roll up your sleeves and leave your ego at the door" anti-intellectualism incipient in the way that the present President approaches politics.

The problems that America faces do not all have some pristine, platonic and non-partisan compromise solutions; indeed, the extent to which you even recognize that a given issue IS a problem, let alone what its remedy might be, is not a platonic concept. By "[w]e have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans," what Obama really means is "conservatives need to accept liberal dogma, or at least, shut up and sit in the corner while we implement it." His voting record and speeches offer scant indication that he is anything more than Hillary Clinton without the substance, albeit with people skills and a nice grin.

In some regards, Obama starts from a similar premise to Unity '08, whose launch I castigated last year in terms that apply just as well to Obama's announcement, should it turn out to be well-received:

[It's] distressing that such a high percentage of people are apparently sick of politics, incapable of engaging with the issues, and basically just want someone who is above politics to steam in and fix the problem. This is something that has been tried before, although I can appreciate why the lesson hasn't been learned[,] since the old newsreels carrying the story were all in German. There is something patently false (and profoundly dangerous) in the idea that there is a single platonic "right" solution to every problem that exists out there[,] independently of politics, and [which] all these beastly politicians are doing their best not to happen upon.

Like Unity '08, Obama's "announcement" is more phony "tell me your problems" bullsh*t. This is not leadership; it isn't even honest, because frankly, I think Obama is far too smart to believe what he's saying. Right now, he's an empty suit, hoping that people will project their own aspirations onto him - and the best material to project onto is a blank canvas, which is precisely what this announcement amounts to. I'll take Obama seriously when he starts saying what he thinks America's problems are and what his solutions to those problems would be. Until then, sling your hook.

Update: more here.

Post facto:
Who fired first? Who has to fire last? (1/18/07)
More thoughts on Obama (1/18/07)
It's supposed to be magnaminity - not idiocity - in victory (1/3/08)

What are the html tags for an enormous guffaw?

Liberals own the status quo in the culture wars

Giant guffaw. The giantest. What an absolute whopper. Conservatives invented the culture wars. They have been great for business, and that's why so many on the right insist the battle must rage on. And I do mean rage, rocket fuel for the righteous.

As John Avlon has cataloged, there's a solid middle in America that is exhausted by the excess volume of the committed partisans of both wings. Obama's rhetoric will gain traction because so many people in the middle hear it and think "Yes. Gawd yes. Give it a fricken rest."

This is SO true that the only way for a culture warrior to counter it is via flat denial.

Oh goody. CPDTM. Y'all got a

Oh goody. CPDTM. Y'all got a license for that?

game theory says tit for tat is optimal

LOL. Thanks for noticing Tully, you shouldn't have....!

Simon started it. Sometimes the efficacy of tit for tat cries out. I thought my whoppper was pretty juicy and pretty glib.

Brian--"He started it!" does

Brian--"He started it!" does not work well on people with kids. We have been copiously immunized. :-)

I would suggest you need to read a lot more about game theory, and not extend a single simplistic game strategy (for a very simplistic and rigidly designed and weighted game based on strict dichotomies) to real life. Pay particular attention to the automated models that use recognition subroutines for "team" play to assist "teammates" by intentionally losing, so that the overall winner of the multi-player "tournament" will be a teammate. It's great for insight into primaries.

Oddly enough, while economists believe t4t to be optimal for Prisoner's Dillema, no one's ever produced a rigorous proof for it. But Axelrod's work is still a lotta fun.

Yup

Yeah, it totally depends on the game. Both the mechanics and the object. I actually have read some laymen's articles on some of the stuff you mention. Fascinating stuff. Tit for tat in some cases does have s certain real efficacy, but I was overstating to say or imply that it's generally optimal. In CPD, you just get a constant negative feedback loop.

That's what it's about, feedback. As I'm sure you know, learning generally or at least often requires feedback, but feedback doesn't always teach what you want it to. Especially negative feedback, which might teach the recipient that he is wrong or needs to adjust his behavior, but which may instead simply teach that the feedback is coming from a complete a-hole. :-) And then there is positive feedback, which may teach that you are doing well but may also teach that the feedback is coming from an uncritical doormat.

And that's the thing with CPD for me. Giving negative feedback can be so quick and satisfying....sooooooo tempting. The more positive approach of trying to find some common ground and talk someone down is time-consuming and seldom productive. Offer half a loaf to someone certain they deserve the whole thing, and all you get out of it is that you're short half a loaf and whatever time you wasted suggesting that perhaps half a loaf could leave one sated.

Even though you have succumbed to the temptation to offer $.02 here, I think your preferred strategy in cases of CPD may be optimal: withold all feedback. But then you may be silent audience to an embarassing positive feedback loop...the back-slapping party of the choir members all preaching to one another.

So again, it depends on the object of the game you choose to play. :-)

There are many strategies.

There are many strategies. You're not limited to two! You can even mix and match.

The problem comes in...

The problem comes in, Brian, with which side prevails by giving it a "fricken rest". Does giving it a rest mean allowing gay marriage or not allowing gay marriage? Do we get a rest by agreeing that the courts should stop legislating on that topic, or by saying that gay marriage is so self-evidently right that everybody should acquiesce to it?

Does giving it a rest mean there will or won't be partial birth abortion? Other restrictions on abortion? Parental notification for minors to get abortion?

How about gun laws? Does giving it a rest mean we don't pass any more gun control laws, or vice versa?

as Tully pointed out...

...I was mostly responding to Simon's CPD whopper with an equally juicy one.

"Give it a rest" is a description of a sentiment, not of a solution. My point there is that the middle is exhausted by the volume and the vitriol, and so they will respond to someone who shares this sentiment.

But I'll bite anyway, since it's an interesting question. As policy, I think "give it rest" might involve looking into the possibility that the views of the folks in the middle on such issues are where the compromises lie.

Gay marriage: Today? Not allow in name, perhaps allow in legal mechanics under a pseudonym, which suggests that the answer may be different tomorrow. In the mean time, the majority seems to feel that the people ought to decide democratically.

Abortion: Partial birth abortions? Probably not allowed unless a demonstrable threat to the mother's life can be shown. Parental notification? Yes, and maybe a little more. Further restrictions? Probably not.

Gun laws: people seem to me to favor continuing to allow the law-abiding to have a gun or a few guns to protect themselves within reason, and to regulate sales and ownership beyond that to make it difficult for criminals to acquire weapons and difficult for borderline personalities to build a personal armory.

How'd I do?

LOL

I breathlessly await the first usage of the phrase "a little bit pregnant" in this discussion. :-)

That's precisely right.

That's precisely right. That's what I was getting at.

Right now, he's an empty

Right now, he's an empty suit, hoping that people will project their own aspirations onto him. Sounds like Governor Bush from Texas, circa 1999.

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