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The more I think about it, the more I think Obama's announcement totally blew it. My opinion of him has plunged; it's instructive to compare Obama with Newt Gingrich: Gingrich is profoundly interested in ideas, and he's made clear that he has an agenda, he wants to push it, and he's willing to run for President if that's the best way to push that agenda. Obama, on the other hand -- taking his speech at face value -- is profoundly interested in being President, he's made clear that he would like to be President, and he's willing to adopt some ideas if that's the best way to become President. Bob Wright and Mickey Kaus once awarded Gingrich their "most transparent primate" award; they should immediatley award Obama a "least transparent primate" award. The latter is far more damning an indictment.
What's particularly insulting about Obama's announcement is they way he attempts to portray himself as being above the fray, a disinterested man of the people, a humble servant of the common good. Other aspirants on the Democratic side - Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Joe Biden, for example - are less obnoxious simply by virtue of refusing to pretend to be something that they aren't: they are liberals, and they are seeking the Democratic Party's nomination to lead the United States. By comparison, Obama's announcement is the most empty, platitudinous and pro forma pablum seen outside of a beauty pageant.
In order for this "national unity" rhetoric to seem less phony, Obama must - and should have - explained where he will deviate from the liberal line, either out of conviction or willingness to compromise. Do tell us, Senator Obama: do you want to move beyond divisive politics, or do you just want the people who disagree with the Democratic party line to quit struggling?
A couple of obvious points that Obama could have added to his speech to demonstrate this:
Many issues deeeply divide us as a nation. On abortion, many believe that a woman's right to choose outweighs all else; many others believe that abortion is murder. But our country's diversity has always been its strength, and the Constitution permits - in fact, requires - that we resolve this question not at the federal level, but at the state level. As President, I would appoint judges who will overrule Roe v. Wade, and I will veto any bill from Congress, Republican or Democrat, that deals with abortion. I support abortion rights, and I will encourage states to permit it, but the best compromise on this difficult issue has in fact been with us since the very beginning: we must debate and persuade one another at the state level, free of federal interference.
Too often, my party has mischaracterized the stem cell debate as being fought between those who are pro-stem cell research and anti-stem cell research. As I indicated above, we need to focus and united around the issues we all agree with; everyone, Republican and Democrat, agrees that stem cell research has merit. The argument revolves around a particular subclass of research, that many believe destroys human life. I will therefore commit to expanding federal funding of non-embrionic stem cell research, but will strongly oppose federal funding for research that harvests stem cells in ways that many of us believe takes innocent lives.
Republicans and Democrats are often seen as being at odds on taxation, but one thing that we can all agree on is that the tax code as it stands cannot stand. I am willing to commit my administration to the most dramatic overhaul of Federal taxation in nearly a century; I cannot today tell you what will come out of this process, but I believe we must ask how we can do better. we can argue about whether taxes should be lower or higher, but we can all agree that they should be fairer. Moreover, while I support a raise in the minimum wage, I recognize that it is necessarily a tax on doing business, and that a federally-mandated minimum wage does nothing to help a man who loses his job because his employer can no longer afford to pay him for it.
Stuff like that. Of course, that would foreclose his getting the Democratic nomination. Obama should either drop the veil, tell us what he really thinks, and start running for his party's nomination, or he should match his high-flown rhetoric with the sort of genuine commitments it entails, even knowing that it'll cost him the nomination.
Maybe I'm wrong, Simon,
it seems to me that your diaspproval of Obama, and your preference of Gingrich, seems to be based squarely on the fact that you agree with Newt a whole heckuva lot more than you do Obama. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems your problem isn't that Obama isn't putting forth ideas, but rather that you disapprove of what his ideas actually are, or what they appear to be.
I could be wrong, though.
I mean, what in his speech makes him seem any less genuine than he actually makes himself out to be? At the very least, how is he any worse than Newt?
"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
John 16:33
Rafique,
Rafique,
That's not really what I was trying to convey; my problem with Obama's announcement isn't just that he doesn't talk in specifics about his ideas and his ideals, because that's par for the course. It's that he is attempting to portray himself as being above the fray, to suggest that every other politician is defective, divisive, self-interested and partisan, while he, on the other hand, isn't any of those things. He just has the right answers to these divisive questions; all those bad, divisive politicians know his ideas are right, but they're too busy playing divisive politics for political advantage.
To be sure, you're right that I prefer what Gingrich says his causes and ideas are to what we have to infer to be Obama's causes and ideas, but Gingrich is not trying to portray his ideas as just obvious common-sense solutions that everyone actually agrees on, and that would have been in place years ago if it wasn't for these terrible political partisans who try to obscure the issues with divisive rhetoric.
I've got (or previously had) nothing against Obama, and I don't object to his seeking the Democratic nomination. I do, however, resent the attempt to portray himself and his ideas as something other than what they are: he is a liberal who perceives problems through a liberal lens and concludes that liberal remedies are the best. He has nothing that he can point to that suggests that he is anything else. And there's nothing wrong with that at all, per se; what makes him seem less genuine in his speech is the mismatch between rhetoric and reality, the idea that he's a non-partisan wise philosopher-king who happens to have all the answers, and anyone who disagrees with those answers must be a divisive partisan, even though, without exception, his answers seem to resemble precisely what we'd expect from a liberal, and thus the divisive partisans who he's railing against - by pure coincidence - all happen to be on the right.
He's simply too smart to really believe a statement like "[p]olitics has become so bitter and partisan, so gummed up by money and influence, that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions." Politics has become bitter and partisan precisely because we are tackling big problems that demand solutions, but not everyone agrees what the problems are and what the solutions are. I remember having this argument with Brian at Centerfield months ago in the context of abortion - Brian kept insisting that he was a "moderate" who adopted a "compromise" position; of course, it was nothing of the kind, it was the bog-standard pro-choice position, just more softly-spoken. But Brian defended the idea that he was actually in the middle of the debate, that he was a moderate on the issue as if his life depended on it. No amount of logic or force of reason could dissuade. That's the kind of "moderation" that Obama exudes - the unshakable faith of necessity, the overwhelming need to see oneself as a moderate, to resolve the cognitive dissonance between a self image as a reasonable pragmatist and the knawing awareness of having bought fully into one side of the debate. Obama can insist that his positions are "common sense" all he likes, that they are non-partisan and non-divisive, but that won't change their actual nature.
In short - if you want to adopt the language of national unity, you have to show some indication that you understand both sides and are willing to seek genuine compromises. David Brooks says that Obama listens to both sides, that he processes all this information, but if you still come out uniformly on one side - big deal.
Thomas Brackett Reed once said that the best way to run the House was for one party to govern and the other paty to watch - and on balance, he'd prefer his party to govern and the other party to watch. When Obama says "[w]e have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans," he means precisely the same thing as Reed, but at least Reed was honest about it.
colors that end in -urple
LOL. Right, it's actually Simon who is the one with the force of reason and logic, and the person he disagrees with is the un-dissuadable ideologue. Notice how he invokes a standard pro-choice position, thereby dismissing the range of positions. Simon has himself conceded he's a black-and-white, bright-line loving guy.
How moderation looks to such a fellow is a question Simon will continually demur on when push comes to shove, because he sees light gray as white and dark gray as black. It's a problem. We can agree to disagree on abortion, though. I think my views differ substantially from the positions of other folks who are far more pro-choice than I, and I have the battle memories to show for it. If Simon wants to dump me in his basket for unpersuadable pro-choice ideologues, that's his mileage. Enough said.
I agree with this though:
I've said virtually the same thing on multiple occasions...that you need to back up your claims of understanding and appreciation for the concerns of both sides with some record of agreeing with one side on some occasions and with the other side on other occasions. I take it as a badge of honor that I have managed to be accused of being both a right-wing and a left-wing tool on various occasions.
But to Barack Obama, the thread topic: Ultimately, when it comes to Obama, we don't really know if he has either the true inclination or the leadership ability to bring disagreeing folks to the table and broker a fair compromise that moves us forward. Is his track record on the thin side there? Absolutely. Maybe even nonexistent.
When we ask how worried to be about this, notice that the question relates to one dynamic of our political system, and it's everyone's mileage as to whether this dynamic is a bug or a feature. It's this:
The best compromises tend to leave both sides grumbling, and the further to one side you are, the more grumbling.
So if you broker good compromises, you may well earn the contempt of both wings, and become unelectable, tagged a waffler and a toter of half measures, and the perpetual deliverer of no more than 45% of a loaf.
This means that if we want a good compromiser to actually be elected President, we might have to do so by making a leap of faith as voters. In the case of Obama, very few GOP voters will take that leap, because Obama is likely to continue to couple vague rhetoric about moderate compromise as a way to better government with a series of slightly more specific policy positions that tend to ape what the mainstream of likely democratic voters wants to hear. There's really no way around this. Not in our 2-party system. You have to tack toward the wing to win your party's nomination.
That means it's up to moderates/centrists/independents to make a leap of faith that Obama really is going to be ready to disappoint the left when it comes time to govern, and not disappoint the middle. Folks on the GOP side of the ledger are going to repeatedly tell moderates that Obama is going to disappoint moderates once he's elected, not disappoint liberals. It's up to the moderates to decide what we are going to get, but we should be aware that we're going to have to make a half-assed educated guess.
I expect that we may well see a similar dynamic on the GOP side of things. Guiliani I could believe as a guy who might be ready to disappoint the right while pleasing moderates. McCain to some lesser extent, and not on social issues. Romney not at all.
Rafique, Are you a character
Rafique, Are you a character in Obama's book? Check it out:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/01/chicago_suntime.html?CMP=google_brianross_&partner=google&gclid=CMjdqcTg6okCFRUPVAodDCHRKQ
Why, yes, a liberal Democrat
Why, yes, a liberal Democrat is going to turn into a state's rights advocate! NOT. Obama's announcement was short on specifics but long on base-pumping issue rhetoric. For the most part, so are everyone else's announcements.
This is the stage of the early run-up campaign where you chum the waters with vague offerings to see which demographic segments rise to the surface to feed, and on what baits. After doing that for a while, you combine that with your funding results and smoke-filled-back-room negotiations to see who's willing to back up their emotive agreement or pet issues with money and/or votes. Then you shake and sort the elements in the mix to construct a more coherent issue platform that could conceivably let you win enough primary elections within your party to secure the nomination.
And if you get the nomination, then the convention tells you what you REALLY think. :-)
This is why I take the early stages not seriously at all.
I agree with the general point Simon makes
I won't comment particularly on Obama, but I agree very much with Simon's general point. I really dislike politicians who run on the premise that all those other politicians are divisive and hypocritical and just playing politics, while THIS politician is above the fray, disinterested, and will wave his magic wand to suddenly lead us all to the promised land.
Part of the reason politics as a whole has become so nasty of late is precisely because of this idea that we should, and can, be governed by great, wise, disinterested solons who will slice through every gordian knot in a manner which pleases most everybody. Every single person who expects that to happen will be disappointed, and the more they expect it, the harder it will hurt when the disappointment comes. Such disappointment brings ever greater cynicism as one "great white hope" (or in this case "great black hope") after another fails to live up to this mythical ideal.
For the most part, politicians really do reflect the rest of us. Some are good, some are bad. Some mean well but just don't have the skills to accomplish much, while some who have the skills don't know what to accomplish. For the most part, most of them do the best they can. To demonize politicians as a class doesn't help, and I think makes it worse.
I don't have a problem, particularly, with a politician demonizing his opponent. But when he demonizes every other politician, and hypocritically holding himself out as somehow above the fray, he is doing a disservice to all of us.
you play the cynic's role today
For me it depends. What you at least seem to be suggesting by this is that all politicians ought to be regarded as equally venal, and that none has any more ability to transcend partisanship than any other. And hey, that's your mileage, you defend the virtues of partisanship. And I cheerfully concede that within the confines of the system, partisanship can have some virtue or at least utility in delivering for one team. Like you and Simon seem to love to say or at least imply, at the end of the day, you have to stand for something.
I agree that at least in the modern era the delivery rate on transcendence seems awfully low, and I also agree that any claim of transcendence must be at least partially false. The President will tend to deliver more for his own team, that's how it has to work. But he or she can also set the tone and look to the middle and do the thankless job of delivering what's best for the country. When the President does this, the other party will seldom if ever acknowledge this or give thanks.
I stop well short of the cynical equivalence you seem to be selling. I see a set of politicians adopting the centrist theme of transcending partisanship, and I assume that many of them are full of crap. But I'm measuring delivery, and hoping for one with a hair of sincerity. I am not willing to assume that 100% insincerity is a political given. This is where you usually reply that I am foolish whenever I insist that there must be a way without providing data that demonstrates there is. That's OK. It's called hope, or alternatively faith, and it's what separates skepticism from cynicism.
So even as I cheerfully concede that yes, at the end of the day maybe you DO have to stand for something, I insist that the moral necessity of clinging to the hope of transcendence is a worthwhile thing to stand for. It's far less dismissable than you suggest.
Not at all
There are certainly politicians who perform better than others, really decent moderates who roll up there sleeves and work hard. I do not suggest that all politicians are equally venal. But the decent ones who roll up their sleeves and work hard do not generally waste their time going on and on and on about how dreadful politics is and whining about "why can't we all just get along".
The ones I don't like are the ones who act as if disagreeing, and disagreeing strongly, over political issues is somehow illegitimate. Saying let's work together, and let's make some tough choices, and I know the other side believes in what they're saying every bit as strongly as my side believes in what we're saying, but let's find a way to make some common ground, that's fine. Saying "I transcend this nasty politics and the ones who are doing the fighting are just nasty, selfish politicians" is the hypocrisy or lack of understanding that I don't care for.
Those politicians who build
Those politicians who build actually build real compromises don't spend all their time saying that the only compromises worth making are everyone coming over to their position. There's real compromise, and then there's the latter form of "compromise." To use Obama's exploratory announcement for examples, bolding up some of the semantic double-speak and issue-assertion buzz:
Everything will be peachy-keen if we all just compromise by agreeing with Obama on all the issues he thinks are important! Classic stumping--agree with me and I'll fix everything. But not what most of us would understand as "compromise." All he's done is leave it somewhat generic instead of inserting "Republican" as his scapegoat label. But he doesn't need to. He throws that in with his "last six years" comment. Everything was peachy-keen until those EEEvilllll Republicans got the upper hand. But he's not part of the problem, no sirree! He's not "bitter and partisan". Uh uh. That's those other guys!
His "different kind of politics" comes down to "vote for me, the other guys suck." How novel. How refreshing. Sorry, I think he's quite transparent.
I'll give you one
I'll give you "these past 6 years" even though it's sensible to expect anyone running for President to say this. As you've already conceded elsewhere, that's how you stump.
All the rest of it seems unremarkable. Even with all of your helpful bolding, I don't see much to disagree with or bitch about. As I've said elsewhere, I still have a show-me attitude towards Obama despite my inclination to like him. When it comes time to deal specifically with one of those problems we've been ignoring, that's when he'll have to show me. Will he tell me (or even better, someone who is a democratic partisan) something I don't want to hear? When it comes to social security, will he deny the demographic scope of the issue and suggest we can solve this by soaking the rich and that any renegotiation of past promises is unconscionable? And please take care to notice that when it comes to this, I'm willing to accept that he may have to SAY some things to get elected. I'd settle for an acknowledgement that the problem is of such a scope that everyone has to accept that some compromises will have to be made, even if he couples that with a lot of pro-working class rhetoric.
FWIW, I appreciate the hypothesis that when it comes right down to it, he's just a good old-fashioned old-school throwback charismatic democrat sporting populist rhetoric. Will he play what conservatives disparagingly refer to as "class warfare?" Maybe, but I don't dismiss that as singularly unmeritorious. Economics demands that income distibution follows the form of a pyramid, but the optimum ratio of the height to the base is a matter of contention. Some folks think the shape is self-optimizing, others do not, and still others think it's more a moral issue than an economic one. Anyway, the steeper the sides of that pyramid, the more traction there is for discussions of class. The more people at the bottom as compared to the top and the greater the disparities, the more democracy will seek to tamp down and broaden the pyramid. The more tamped down and broadened it becomes, the more democracy will seek to heighten. If democracy respond to the people's wishes, then the shape of the pyramid will a function of the people's perception of opportunity and disparity.
I'm unlikely to take a seat on Obama's bandwagon if I become convinced he's a back to the future guy who wants to talk us into soaking the upper classes to pay for expensive new programs without regard for economic dynamics. My mind remains open.
OK
That's fair enough for me, even if I feel compelled to note the exception that I don't necessarily mind someone blowing their own horn if they can also dance the tune.
And FWIW, on some days I find myself prone to playing the role of the cynic suggesting that hope does us a disservice. I've laughed more than once at the notion "I felt a lot better once I gave up hope."