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Fired? Unfired? Who can tell... Leadership, Edwards style

Submitted by Simon on Thu, 02/08/2007 - 1:07pm

The story so far. And now the news: Dean Barnett takes note of a blog post from John Edwards. Here's Edwards, first:

The tone and the sentiment of some of Amanda Marcotte's and Melissa McEwan's posts personally offended me. It's not how I talk to people, and it's not how I expect the people who work for me to talk to people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that kind of intolerant language will not be permitted from anyone on my campaign, whether it's intended as satire, humor, or anything else. But I also believe in giving everyone a fair shake. I've talked to Amanda and Melissa; they have both assured me that it was never their intention to malign anyone's faith, and I take them at their word.

Dean observes that Edwards "neither stands behind the bloggers nor throws them under the bus. [His post] doesn’t say they’re staying, it doesn’t say they’re going. What leadership! ... [T]he candidate’s finger is still in the air. As always." I think it's implicit that they're staying, but Dean's correct that this is a weasel way out that keeps Edwards' options open - if in the next 48 hours or so the MSM picks up the story (as they had started to do yesterday) and reaction to Marcotte is more profoundly negative than the plaudits he gets in the leftosphere for at least appearing to stick it to the vast right wing conspiracy, he retains the ability to point back to this post and say "I never said I was keeping them. I said I was offended, that I'd talked to them, and that their vernacular has no place in my campaign."

The other consideration is that despite his cutesy disclaimers, Edwards has now been stripped of his heat shield. Before, he could credibly claim that he didn't know the blogging record of the bloggers he hired to blog for him. He could conceivably have covered his ass by throwing Marcotte's and some faceless staffer's off the bus. But if Edwards didn't know their record before, he sure does now. So if he agrees to keep them, no matter what he might protest to the contrary, it is patently obvious that he either agrees with or at least tolerates what Marcotte has said in the past.

Nor is it credible for him to try and finesse the point by saying that "they have both assured me that it was never their intention to malign anyone's faith." He concedes that he was offended by what they wrote, and what was it again that he wasn't going to permit from anyone on his campaign? Right, "that kind of intolerant language." Even if that were credible on its own terms (which is dubious - it's hard to believe that any reasonable user of the English language could visit Pandagon and be left in any doubt as to the views and preferred lexicon of its authors), this is still impossible to take seriously. The bottom line is that if you believe that they never actually intended to malign anyone's faith (interesting how tightly circumscribed this "concession" is - they assured him that they never intended to malign anyone's faith, but that isn't the only thing they've maligned), but were such utterly cack-handed writers as to routinely dress up innocuous points in language that you yourself found inflammatory, why the hell would you retain as a writer someone who you don't think can clearly express themselves in writing?!

Lastly, Edwards reassurance that "that kind of intolerant language will not be permitted from anyone on my campaign, whether it's intended as satire, humor, or anything else," rings completely hollow. If it is engaged in without consequence, it is ipso facto permitted. So either Marcotte is fired, or "that kind of intolerant language" is and will be permitted from people on his campaign.

John Edwards - thanks for playing "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." You win!

Update: the bulk of Pandagon commenters seem to be either furious at Edwards for taking such a candyass way out, or reluctantly biting their tongues out of pure political expediency ("I'd like him to have come out swinging, but I know that that would hurt him on the campaign trail"). A few have even noticed that Marcotte's quasi-apology is a humiliating face- and job-saving exercise.

Update 2: MKH quotes Marcotte's kowtowing quasi-apology: "My intention is never to offend anyone for his or her personal beliefs, and I am sorry if anyone was personally offended by writings meant only as criticisms of public politics." Translation: "I don't have anything against people believing all that religious crap in the privacy of their own home, I just think they're evil if they let those views affect their political views in any way." There seems to be some sort of weird leftie premise that religion is a purely private matter that shouldn't have any affect on how a person conducts themselves as a public or political actor, a view that I - even as an agnostic - find unfathomably stupid.

Moreover, here's Marcotte's take on the death of the late Chief Justice and the consequences thereof (via RedState):

I’m a hot, moist, inviting tw*t. Warm, wet, inviting. But not to you or your friends. Even if I were single, these nubile thighs do not wrap around the hips of Republicans. You can fuck yourselves or the dry tw*ts of the self-hating misogynists who will allow you tiny penis to penetrate them. Have fun! Um, the wounds you get from rubbing you un-lubricated dick repeatedly into your heartless, soulless woman–iodine is your best friend, my be-scarred friend.

I'm sure we can all agree that it clearly wasn't Marcotte's intention to insult anyone personally with that devastatingly concise "criticism[] of public politics." John Edwards, meet your bloggers.

what precedent do we want here?

Leaving aside your fine parsing of how Edwards has phrased things and what it means for the sorts of accusations folks can now hurl at him, isn't the actual outcome of the sort we'd like to see sometimes?

By this I mean that youthful indiscretions might be forgiven and mulligans occasionally granted. I have no desire to defend Marcotte's words, and I won't. But what I will efend is the notion that folks may speak in an offhand, sarcastic and mean-spirited way in what seems like a small private space. As a culture we are coming to grips with the idea that much more of our lives may be recorded, and we're still learning about the sorts of things that generation Y won't be able to get away with, becuase big brother, as it were, was there watching. Is Marcotte young? I am guessing. I'd grant less mulligatawny goodness to someone whose vitriol was a mature stock in trade.

Anyway, Marcotte ought to have the courage to publically apologize and demonstrate that upon review, she's ashamed at her snarky lack of disrespect, and regrets it. And if so, we ought to have the good humor and understanding to give her some sort of probationary benefit of the doubt.

Why? If for no other reason than because we probably don't want folks permanently rendered personna non grata because they got caught snarkblogging. Meanness aside, at least there's passion, which time can temper and mature.

Agreed.

It seems to me that there is an unhealthy unwillingness to understand Edwards' position here. Simon, it is that you just don't like him personally? Others in his situation have been given the benefit of the doubt is all. I do agree that Edwards has a choice to make, and can no longer plead ignorance. Either way, he gets heat. Seems the best thing to do is to turn Ms. Marcotte loose, having decided that her particular brand of discourse is unwelcome in his campaign.

"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

I have no desire to defend

I have no desire to defend Marcotte's words, and I won't. But what I will defend is the notion that folks may speak in an offhand, sarcastic and mean-spirited way in what seems like a small private space.

Sure. In a small private space. No one has said a word about anything Marcotte's said in her own small, private spaces. The criticism has come about because of things she's said on the internet, which is definitionally the largest and most public space on the planet.

Marcotte ought to have the courage to publically apologize and demonstrate that upon review, she's ashamed at her snarky lack of disrespect, and regrets it. And if so, we ought to have the good humor and understanding to give her some sort of probationary benefit of the doubt.

I really doubt that you'll see her apologize, because I don't think she feels that she's done anything she ought to apologize for. And if she does apologize, it'll be a teenager's apology: your lips say you're sorry, but your eyes say you're sorry you got caught. ;) As much as I'd like to think that she might actually repudiate her former opinions, it seems extraordinarily unlikely, and indeed, my opinion of her will actually fall if she now hides behind this bullsh*t smokescreen instead of having the courage to defend what we know to be her actual views. Of course she meant to offend - she meant to castigate. She doesn't like these people. Damning her with faint praise, I wrote yesterday that "she at least stands by her views and will defend them." Maybe I gave her too much credit.

Why? If for no other reason than because we probably don't want folks permanently rendered personna non grata because they got caught snarkblogging.

I've written some intemperate things in the past, some of which I stand by at least the substance of, and some of which I now realize were not only badly written, but substantively wrong, and in some cases, deeply misguided. I'm willing to stand by the things that I still believe, and denounce the things I don't. If Marcotte genuinely no longer believes, and thus repudiates the suggestion that she in some way lacks a deep and abiding respect for Catholics, conservatives and all the various other groups she's savaged, then of course she shouldn't "permanently [be] rendered persona non grata." But if she does still believe all that stuff, she should have the courage to take the consequences of those beliefs being put on public display. Do you really believe she's changed her mind?

I think that (a) she doesn't want to be fired, and (b) is smart enough to know her views are way out of the mainstream, and that if she doesn't play Little Miss Contrite, at least publicly, her favored candidate is going to get tarred with and hurt by those views. It may work, but it won't be respectable.

I agree that people should

I agree that people should be cut some slack for the stupid things they did when they were young. But we make that allowance because people routinely do stupid things when they're young, and this is why political campaigns don't ordinarily hire children as spokesmen. Does Edwards think this is some sort of quaint prejudice? He's about to learn otherwise.

I agree bucyrus. The firings

I agree bucyrus. The firings of these bloggers would have hurt the blogsophere as a whole. If some professional victimologist like Donahue could get these scalps, then the future job prospects of 90% of all bloggers (on both sides of the aisle) would have been snuffed out. To the extent that Edwards is made to suffer for hiring these bloggers, then ALL campaigns will establish a very long and wary distance from the blogsophere - something that is not good for any of us.

I also think that the original post here was an exercise in over-parsing. It seems pretty clear to me that Edwards has taken a strong stance - he is not firing the bloggers, period. I dont see any fingers in the air at all. He is basically saying that he disapproves of what they have written in the past and wont tolerate that under his name, but that he is giving them a chance. Of course, it doesnt answer the question of why he was so stupid as to hire them in the first place, but hey- that was a screwup - I think everyone can see that pretty clearly.

If some professional

If some professional victimologist like Donahue could get these scalps, then the future job prospects of 90% of all bloggers (on both sides of the aisle) would have been snuffed out.

And this should differ from the private sector that now goes out and searches the internet for information on or posted by job candidates on the internet?

The internet is a public forum. If you are going to think you can hide from what you do on the internet, you are mistaken. Too many people say things on the internet that they would not dare say in person. In most cases, the opinions they post are what they actually feel and are not white washed.

Post at your own risk, that goes for everyone, especially bloggers. I have no sympathy for people who are bombastic on the internet and then try to hide from it when caught in public.

The politico-speak

The politico-speak translation:

I have spanked the bloggers I hired and told them not to ever do that while working for me, as it reflects badly on me as their employer. But I still need them, so I'm keeping them for now.

PS--Am I the only one who is

PS--Am I the only one who is strangely reminded of the "Checkers" speech here? :-)

"The kids love these bloggers, and we're gonna keep 'em."

UPDATE: Guess not, and no, I didn't see the Althouse post before I wrote the above....

Two words that destroy any

Two words that destroy any "defense" a politician can mount about not knowing the background of their blogging consultants.

Jane Hamsher.

It is simply NOT credible that anyone running for the top office of the nation should have ANY excuse for not being aware of the nature of their chosen ones.

Particularly since a large

Particularly since a large part of the President's job boils down to making wise hiring decisions! If Edwards can't be trusted to choose wisely in picking his mouthpiece, how can he possibly ask to be trusted to choose wisely in picking judges and cabinet officers?

job you're hired for

If they truly can help him win his party's nomination and he needs to do that, can't you argue he's showing wisdom by keeping them on board?

After all, a wise hire is the one who can do the job you really need done, right?

What if he's so wise that he plans to jettision them after winning the nomination in a well-orchestrated later embarassment. IOW, an orchestrated sister souljah moment?

If Edwards hired a bigmouth loose cannon for the job of rousing the rabble, how stupid is that? Not very stupid. I would not assume based on these actions that he's incapable of determining what the very different important qualities are when it comes to picking a judge. Some might make this assumption based on his time as a trial lawyer, but based on this hiring, I dunno.

You may not subscribe to

You may not subscribe to popular proverbs, but the public sure does. Especially in politics. You ARE judged somewhat by whom you choose to associate yourself with.

As the old saying goes, lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

and this explains

...and this explains Bill Clinton getting elected AND re-elected how, precisely? :-)

Some folks LIKE dogs, and

Some folks LIKE dogs, and are willing to put up with quite a few fleas.

right

Just so we're clear that we're talking about fleas when it comes to Marcotte...

:-)

If ya can't tell the dogs

If ya can't tell the dogs from the fleas, you've got some BIG fleas....

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