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Yesterday, liberal blogger Marc Ambinder said that if "100,000 Americans show up to protest their taxes, the onus to dismiss them as a nascent political force shifts to the Democrats."
Today, moderate left blogger (and tea party skeptic) Justin Gardner points to the decidedly left blogger Nate Silver telling us that 250,000 showed up. I suppose the onus may be deemed shifted, then.
Still, I agree with Justin: I'm still not clear as to what ultimate purpose is served by the tea parties.
Added: I think that regardless of one's politics, there is what you could call a conservative mindset and a liberal mindset. This isn't a carefully worked out metaphor, but I might suggest we think of these mindsets as turtles and hares: turtles are plodding, but careful, sure-footed, etc; hares are wont to race off, to be reckless and to believe things will work themselves out, to be confident in their ability to fix whatever problems arise on the fly. Although there are people who have liberal political views who are turtles, and there are people who have conservative political views (of one flavor or another) who are hares, by and large, being a turtle predisposes a person to being a conservative, and being a hare predisposes one to being a liberal.
Me, I'm a turtle, and was so long before I came to think of myself as politically fairly conservative (a post on that subject is coming, eventually). I say this as a prelude to noting that although I'm not against the tea parties, I am a little uncomfortable with them. Much of what has been written about them by critics is at odds with what I know about people who've helped organize them and who have attended, who are good, smart people with their hearts and their heads in the right place. Charges of astroturfing are trumped up to the extent they aren't false. But when it came to thinking about actually going along to one, I found the thought wearying, and watching them on television, my anxiety grew.
Much of my difficulty with the tea parties, I think, is that they are ultimately protests, and turtles aren't natural protesters. There's a lot of anger and shouting, and turtles aren't much for that sort of thing either. You might be surprised to read this, but temperamentally, I'm much more of a Rehnquist than a Scalia. I wasn't happy with the result of the election, but shouting about its predictable upshot doesn't seem likely to help. We aren't going to shout our way back into the majority; when the majority is wrong and sure of itself, all one can really do is attractively articulate a better view as best as possible, and wait for enough people to rediscover doubt.
We've had four years of the right screaming angrily at the Clintons followed by eight years of the left screaming angrily at the right; now the right is screaming angry at the left, too, and the left still hasn't got the screaming out of their system. As Scott Hahn wrote, we "shouldn't strive to live our lives in a constant state of crisis." I'm not saying "can't we all get along," but couldn't we not get along at a lower volume (and preferably in complete sentences)? A scream for a scream and we shall all soon be deaf.
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Me too. Utterly aside from the merits of any of their positions, too.
When was the last time a momentary fit of pique achieved anything? I am not saying that is what this is. I am saying that IF these folks want to achieve anything, they'll need patience, clarity, ideas, and staying power.
Anger is a crappy fuel. And a transient symbolic action is a fart into the wind, whether its hands across America or the million man march. When it comes to things like the Tea Party and other efforts of this ilk, there is a usually fundamental flaw. And the flaw is that such activities usually only make the participants feel a little bit better, like they stood up and did something by being counted. But they seldom achieve anything lasting.
If there is a lie in the American myth of the efficacy of protest, it's that complaining achieves changes when practiced by dilettantes. Anger makes for a nice 20 yard sprint. But changing things is at least a marathon. More like an ironman triathlon. Or decathlon.
The tea parties alone won't
The tea parties alone won't do anything, of course. Its the ability of conservative leaders to harness and perpetuate the momentum achieved by the tea parties and put it in to action akin to Obama's grassroots movement that may achieve something.
Re "anger is a crappy fuel"
Anger is a lot like black powder. It's got a lot of kick to it, and it has its uses, but have you ever seen the episode of "Mythbusters" where they try to build a black power engine? Black powder has its uses, but a viable fuel isn't one of them.
A growing movement?
I'll preface this by saying I was around for the demonstrations in the 60's. I took part in a few but lost my taste for them early on. The majority (at least of the ones I was at) weren't about much more than youthful rebellion. A good reason to skip college classes for most, smoking dope and being cool for a lot, and being in with the in crowd for almost everyone. On stage we were treated to scrabbling for the spotlight between the SDS chapter, local black power group, and the Abbie Hoffman wannabes. Thoughtful debate about what was going on during that time was entirely lacking from what I saw. I was so turned against the idiocy I saw by the "youth movement" I haven't even considered going to a protest since.
I had business in downtown Anchorage yesterday, so I took the time to walk down to where the tea party was. Several hundred I'd guess. I took the time to talk to quite a few people. I wound up spending a couple of hours I couldn't afford to lose. Mostly middle age/middle class by their looks.
COMPLETELY different than the 60's. Most of the folks I talked to had taken time off from jobs to be there. There were a couple of idiots ("look at me!"), but everyone ignored them as best as possible. The thing that really struck me was the sense that most of the folks I talked to were uncomfortable about being there. They weren't the protesting type and didn't want to be seen as idiots, but felt it was important enough to be there. The majority I talked to (20?) didn't have a pat answer to what it was they were there for exactly. A lot of no tax signs, but the verbal conversations always fell back to fiscal conservatism. People are worried. Not so much about the present, the economy up here is still pretty good, but about the path we are likely to wind up on as a nation if we don't reign in government spending. I think everyone I talked to realizes the complexities even they aren't familar with them all. Not that I have any painless solutions, let alone anything that has an absolute guarantee of working.
A note about Alaskan history. Everyone knows about the pipeline. There was a huge economic boom in the early and mid 70's when it was built. Things leveled off a bit after the line was built and before the oil started flowing. About 1980 when the state started getting its royalties and started spending money hand over fist (Bush and Obama look like pikers compared to what that was like), there was a boom to beat all booms up here. Housing starts quadrupled and spiked up from there. Government grew exponetially. Good times doesn't even begin to cover it. I guess that things were tough during that time under Reagan but you couldn't tell it from up here. All it meant was more people were leaving the lower 48 and moving to booming Alaskan economy. After 4 years of this type of growth the inevitable bust. Overbuilt/overextended, and the price of oil dropped to $9 per barrel. The housing bubble burst in 2008? Whooptidoo. In '84 my house in Anchorage valued at about 200K wouldn't sell at 100K 3 months later. My small business had to eat over a quarter of our gross yearly revenues. That's over 5 years worth of profits!
The state didn't bail anyone out. Things sucked pretty hard for about 5 years. Everyone up here that's been around that long remembers that time. We know what that pain looks like more than most. We cut government spending, let the banks fail (11 out of 18), and generally sucked it up.
I heard the above story numerous times yesterday. The tea party I attended wasn't about taxes (at least the present ones), it was about fiscal conservatism. I'd assume the others around the country were pretty much the same. It can be done. In fact I think it is unavoidable. It just that now will be easier than later. Suck it up America.
As to Simon's question I'd say the purpose served is to let average working folks know that there are others just like them. We don't have exact solutions, we know we got ourselves into this mess, we don't believe that government is likely to get us out unless we force it into some sort of fiscal reality. These were serious people, not the freak shows you generally see at protests. Hopefully the message clarifies over time, and Washington is forced to listen to it. And hopefully the Hannity's and Gingrich's stay home next time. We don't need em. We don't want em.
Dennis, I think you hit on my
Dennis, I think you hit on my exact feelings. I never really got turned off until folks like Hanity jumped onto this as a bandwagoneer. The tea party's were about fiscal responsibility. Unfortunately, the metaphor and having it on tax day only served to confuse the issue [hence the horrific reporting from the journalist wannabe in Chicago]. I don't do protests. Put me in the Simon's turtle group [with whom I also believe that the anger volume is amped up way too loud and contagious(as I was guilty of it earlier this week here and other places)]. I was planning to go to the local one until I found out that GOP flunkies had manage to take over control of the local one.
The protests and the feelings were real, unfortunately, some of the message was lost when the political machines got involved.
Well, I've made my general disapproval with these protests clear
elsewhere, but the was something else I wanted to add. I was flipping channels earlier, and I caught a bit of Olbermann's show. The segment would've turned out to be a good one--it was about a tea party in Florida, where one protest camly stood up and made an entirely valid point (before his was rudely shouted down) about the GOP's culpability for the deficit, and Obama's tax plan.
And then the whole thing went to hell, when Jeaneane Garofalo comes out and basically called the GOP a bunch of racist skinheads.
You see, that sort of stuff is uncalled for, and Olbermann should've said something. Ugliness from the far-right is no justification for ugliness from the far-Left.
On a related note, I suspect the easily provoked folks over at Fox will go nuts over this, but more importantly, a perfectly good discussion was basically thwarted, as people will most likely ignore the content of that one counter-protester's point, and only focus on how Garofalo called conservatives racists.
Nice job making things worse again, Keith.
OLbermann should've said
If it was anything other than "I agree with you, Janeane," he'd be lying. I've never seen anything to make me think he disagrees, and his show repeatedly testifies implicitly that he agrees.
Yeah, well that's what it looks like, and by his actions it's
hard to deny that he doesn't agree, at least to some degree, with what she said.
BTW, the fact that Fox hosts have defended equally vicious statements by the Right is no excuse.
thanks for the report
Thanks for the report Dennis, it was interesting, and encouraging. Like I always say about political leaders, when some of them see a bunch of folks going one way, they grab a a baton and run to the front and yell "parade."
So it's to the good of tea party folks if they keep a healthy distance from Hannity and other celebrities, conservatives or not.
FWIW, I think that the tea party folks could get better traction if they say "fiscal responsibility" instead of fiscal conservatism. The notion that I think best resonates with a broad range of folks is the simple notion of spending (and behaving!!) within one's means.
A better term
I agree that fiscal responsibility rather than fiscal conservatisim is better, but even that doesn't cover the mood I saw. Almost everyone that had something intelligent to say about it related in some way or another to their own financial dealings. Credit cards, house loans, college tuition, etc. Common sense might be a better term.
Anyway, I'm not a protest kind of guy. I just went out of curiosity and stayed longer than intended. And I will be dropping by the next one.