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Why Clinton Hasn't Quit

Submitted by Tully on Sun, 05/11/2008 - 10:48am

Rumor is that Clinton will not withdraw unless the Obama campaign agrees to pay her campaign debts–several millions of which is Clinton’s own money–AND concede to her a major share of convention/platform influence.

Tallying the Loot

People need to wise up to The Game As It Is Really Played. Delegates are also the ones who establish the party platform for the next four years. It’s not ALL about being the candidate, it’s also about internal factions affecting the platform and grabbing a share of the internal party power for the next four years, and steering the resulting goodies towards THEIR factions for those four years. We are not just watching the fight for the nomination–we are also watching the biggest factions ("Progressives" versus "DLC/Centrist") of the party duke it out for bargaining chips at the convention, and for the subsequent resulting power and perks. That internal division of power and perks applies even if the nominee loses the general election. With the party looking to be in control of both houses of Congress for the immediate future, the rewards are enormous.

As point person for the DLC/Centrist faction, there is no real reason at all for Clinton to concede at this point even if she knows she won’t win the nomination. Unless the party leaders and the opposition faction agree to give HER faction some outsized influence at the convention, the power play for Clinton and for the DLC/Centrist faction is to continue fighting, to grab more sway and more delegates for the control-of-the-party intramural scrimmage coming up...a series of negotiations where close really DOES count.

No matter how the final nomination result comes in, and no matter the result in November, Clinton and her faction(s) benefit in the long run from continuing to fight and gain delegates. Unless and until the other party faction(s) cede that to her faction(s), she can and will keep right on rolling, stacking up convention chips.

UPDATE: Much relevant discussion at length in the comments.

Rumors Are a Dime a Dozen

I've heard as many rumors about why Hilary is still in the race as I have hairs on my head. I won't give much credence to the latest rumor unless there is an actual news story behind it with researched facts and quotes from people willing to go on the record.

I'm not living in la-la land. I realize how scummy politics and politicians are and that elections are only superficially about electing a particular candidate. But at the same time, trying to figure out why Hilary is still in the race is just the parlor game du jour.

--Fern

Keep thinking that, Fern.

Keep thinking that, Fern. I've followed the Clintons for near thirty years lnow, long preceding their rise to the national stage, and I do understand them pretty well, and how the internal party politics works as well. It's not a game or du jour anything on this end. This is not rumor, this is reasoned and informed analysis. Among the few advantages of age are perspective and experience.

The first premise is that if Clinton's staying in when she (apparently) can't win, she IS going to get something MAJOR for so doing. Now, it's still somewhat feasible for her to win the nomination, but at this stage of the game that she could get the nomination and win office is highly unlikely. Much as I dislike her, she is one of the sharpest pols and inside players of the generation, so there IS strong purpose. Why is she still stacking votes and delegates, and costing herself (personally) millions? She WILL get something for it, and not a new hat and a thank you. It is not in her nature to do anything else if the reward is there. What does she get from continuing that she could not get without continuing?

And from the nature of Clinton, the answer is first, last, and always political advancement, additonal power and influence both official and unofficial, and a place in history with "first woman to" in front of it.

She may not be able to overtake Obama, but she can get right up to the knife-edge in delegates and popular votes, or at least close enough to keep it questionable, so between Puerto Rico and Denver she can swing much weight in writing the platform and pre-determining party leadership for the next four years. She already swings enough weight to make the convention a circus, causing massive internal party damage. The closer the final tally from delegates and/or popular vote, the bigger the stick she swings, the more reward she can collect and spread around. And in that final tally, even if still leaves her behind, Florida and Michigan WILL be counted in some fashion--and Clinton will get all the credit for it for future use.

She also knows that without her active cooperation and support, Obama simply cannot win in November. Even with her help, it's somewhat iffy, but without her it's at least 2 to 1 against. I've been involved in political demographics on the real-world campaign end for a long time, and that's one bet I do not hesitate to make.

One) By hanging in to the end of the primaries, she will stack up major cred for the next four years, and for the 2012 run; Two) By getting Florida and Michigan seated, she can reverse (for her, anyway) the downward trend of Dems in those states in Presidential elections--AND she can greatly improve Obama's chances in those crucial states; Three) She can get her campaign debts paid back--including the millions she loaned herself; Four) She can move up in party leadership; and Five) she can somewhat control the working party agenda for the next four years.

Under current circumstances, some form of increased party power and agenda control is a given. So on the "place in history" list, what specific reward would she take if not the nomination, that comes with "first woman to" in front of it? I see only two at the national level. VP, and Senate Majority Leader. VP seems very unlikely. (The DNC has already had two woman chairs, and she's not giving up her Senate seat anyway.) I do see two other possibilities, somewhat lateral moves, but I only throw them out for speculative purposes. New York City has never had a woman as Mayor, the state has never had a woman as Governor.

What you can be sure of is that Clinton will show a (political) profit from this year's race, regardless of how it ends, and that she isn't going away. Love her or loathe her, but do not ever count her gone unless you've personally seen her buried at a crossroads, garlic in her mouth and a stake through her heart, with seventeen feet of steel-reinforced concrete on top. She is the Terminator pol. She will not stop.

More confirmation on NOT

More confirmation on NOT Clinton as VP

From Toe-Suckin' Dick Morris.

Hillary would add no votes to Obama, she would dog his campaign with scandal, she would be disloyal in office, and her husband would be, at best, a huge distraction. Case closed.

More confirmation....

...on Clinton as the Terminator pol!

After that, her eyes glowed red and a portion of her skin was removed to reveal her titanium endoskeleton, as the Cyberdyne Systems model HIL-800 pledged to "accomplish mission objectives."

Actually I'm fairly sure it's the Cyberdyne Systems model HIL-2008.

Some confirmation from the

Some confirmation from the Clinton camp.

Clinton Adviser: She's Fighting to Last Primary

ABC News Radio's Ann Compton reports: Accusing Sen. Barack Obama of being "scared" of campaigning in West Virginia, Clinton adviser Terry McAuliffe tells ABC News Radio in an interview to air tonight that Sen. Hillary Clinton will remain in the race through the last primary on June 3rd, "100 percent."

And, of course, consider the source when reading those tea leaves as to the factional-fight angle.

cue the crickets

I understand the angle you're sporting, and it makes sense. Obviously she's in it to make the best deal she can. [Remember, the one who comes to you with the deal is the traitor!]

Still, cue the crickets. My sense is that in the aftermath of the NC-IN outcomes, most folks have assumed that Obama is the nom, and are tuning out whatever remains of the rest of the regular season. The guys on the bench are getting some playing time and the starters are resting up. When do the playoffs start?
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I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole

The point is, Brian...

The point is that "most folks" have nothing to do with the party in-fighting that is going on. The people at large play their role only in the primary fight itself, not in the intramural wrangling and horse-trading that goes on in party committees and outside of prime-time at the convention. So the fact that "most folks" have assumed that Obama is the nominee has no bearing on that in-fighting. It's not about changing who the nominee is, it's about, as Tully says, gaining as much power for your faction of the party as possible. If Obama is the nominee but Clinton gets the Senate Majority Leader slot, has her person named to replace Howard Dean as DNC chair, and gets the official party platform to reflect HER policy on particular issues, then she will have a great deal of power and influence over what policies a President Obama could actually adopt and get passed by Congress.

That is the exact point. In

That is the exact point. In this case, "winning" is not even remotely all about winning the nomination. Clinton can "win" and win BIG from the campaign without ever getting on the ticket. And given her nature and skills, almost certainly will. And the longer she stays in the race, the more delegates and popular votes she stacks up, the greater her leverage and the larger the "payout."

That doesn't mean she won't force a floor fight to get the nomination. She might--as Ted Kennedy did in 1980 from a MUCH weaker position. But IMHO it's far more likely that she will use the very threat of that floor fight to gain added power and position. She will know after Puerto Rico exactly how much leverage she has, and will have a couple of months to exercise that and gain more though persuasion. By the time of the convention she will know whether or not she can mount a floor fight with any real chance of success for the nomination, and if not, exactly how much weight she can swing on everything else.

Whether such a fight could succeed or not, the very threat itself provides added leverage for those lead-up months--floor fights are crippling--and the large number of delegates she has in hand gives her a big edge in floor votes on everything else as well, even if she doesn't go for the floor fight. She only has to swing X percentage of superdelegates on specific vote questions to get HER way on those questions, and those supers are well aware that Obama is a weak candidate and that they themselves carry weight in their own right. They can play for themselves instead of for the Obama faction--and will, as internal party power is a sure thing but an Obama win is not. Backroom deals on appointments and party leadership and control. Platform construction. Policy questions.

Now that's where "close" and Michigan and Florida REALLY come into play. Let's say that the nominee really has been determined, it's Obama, and Hillary is ready to concede that...for a price. At that point it will be agreed that Obama gets the nomination, and that Clinton campaign debts are repaid by the party somehow (especially those millions she loaned herself). The DNC will then go ahead and seat the MI and FL delegations as a "gesture of reconciliation," and same will thus be able to vote for the remainder of the convention. Now, who will be able to most strongly influence how much effort those state parties put into getting Obama elected in those extremely key states? Who will in effect OWN those votes for all subsequent policy and platform ballots? Who will in effect OWN those votes for the back-door dealmakings on internal party control? Hint: Not Obama. All of a sudden, which faction has that teeny vote majority?

TANSTAAFL. She isn't staying in the race for the exercise. The Clintons know quite well that when life hands you lemons, you make lemonade...and then track down someone whom life gave vodka, and cut a profitable deal. She will only back out if she cuts a deal before then.

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