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For example: Michelle Malkin, and various others collected here. Sure, Pandagon frequently resembles a reductio ad absurdum of liberal blogs, and sure, Marcotte is acid-tongued, but is she really any more so than any of the other mainstream liberal bloggers? Of the various quotes collected here, is any of this stuff really that different to a million other liberal blogs? Seems to me that any liberal blogger of similar or greater stature that Edwards could have hired has plenty of the same kind of invective in their archives (although I'll concede that I can't imagine Atrios or Kos being as dumb as to fan the flames by deleting incriminating posts, an almost totally pointless exercise in the age of readily-available web caches, rather than defending or disowning them). "Liberal blogger has a foul mouth, engages in hysterical and delusional conspiracy-theorist ranting and hates Republicans with an all-consuming passion." This is proverbially dog bites man.
Moreover, attacking the Edwards campaign for hiring Marcotte isn't even good politics. What good does it do to highlight that Edwards has associated his campaign with Marcotte's writing at Pandagon when it is precisely Marcotte's target audience that Edwards wants to appeal to? C'mon - why do you think the Edwards campaign hired Marcotte in the first place? Her winning personality? she wasn't hired in spite of her record, she was hired because of it, you dummies! ;) Highlighting that a prominent blogger from the moonbat wing of the party is backing Edwards is giving him free publicity for precisely an association that he wants to make!
Update, 2/7/07: the Edwards camp cans Marcotte. My take is here, and it's not what you're probably thinking.
Update 2/8/07: oops! Looks like everyone jumped the gun on the firing. The saga continues here and here.
Completely counter-productive
Plus, it gives the Edwards campaign an entry point to attack Republicans. As in, issuing a statement along the lines of: "We, the Edwards campaign, understand that Republicans, the people who were wrong on Iraq, wrong on the deficit, wrong on Katrina response, wrong on the economy are now saying that the Edwards campaign is wrong on its choice of campaign staff. Given the Republican's track record, we are hereby giving those campaign staffers a raise." .
Of course, that assumes that Edwards has the balls that God gave a hamster. Which is a big assumption. But still, the entire Edwards campaign can be boiled down to "Republicans: Wrong on everything." Giving him yet another opportunity to state his campaign theme is just plain dumb.
LOL
Of course, that assumes that Edwards has the balls that God gave a hamster. Which is a big assumption.
He's got 'em. He got rich as a plaintiff's attorney, which requires skill at the art of making outrageous claims in public and demanding money for them.
OMG! Amanda Said Naughty Words! I Think I'm Gonna Faint!
Ah, Simon,
How gallant of you to defend Marcotte from the dogpiling of your fellow right wingers (BTW, Edwards hasn't fired her; sorry to disappoint you.) Reminds me of the time I was defending your honor over at Pandagon when everybody else was accusing you of being a troll.* (You're welcome, BTW)
I'm afraid I don't share everyone else's sudden attack of the vapors. Probably comes from Mark Twain's advice "When angry, count to ten. When very angry, swear." Or maybe it's because the same folks who are shocked--shocked!-by Amanda's profanity treat W like he's the Second Coming of Christ, despite his effing his way through an interview with Tucker Carlson, or referring to the Constitution as a "G---d---ned piece of paper." %
To use the proper ladylike language; a spade's a spade. The Malkins who are shrieking like Miss Prim seeing a mouse are never going to vote for Edwards, even if every one of his employees spent their entire lives saying nothing worse than "Oh, dear." If they were truly concerned about banning every blogger who expressed prejudice (and the blogger's campaign who hired them) then Patrick Hynes (and John McCain) would be out of the race tomorrow.
*Though I did say you were distressingly literal, which I stand by.
% Of course, the rules are different for the macho Commander in Chief and female bloggers, who are expected to keep their language lady like at all times. How silly of me to forget that. :->
Jean,
Jean,
I'm not defending what Marcotte has said so much as pointing out that she hasn't said anything that hasn't been said by a lot of other bloggers in the leftosphere. I just don't think it's fair to basically hang her on a cross for the sins of all leftie bloggers. It might be good for her ego and Tori Amos' record sales (karaoke version of Crucify will abound after this), but she just isn't that unusual, special or important. This is what the face of the nutsroots looks like. People should take a good look at it and not throw things at Marcotte personally, but reject them and the candidates they support. And if they are fired (as all the indicators suggest), then that will be tangible proof that the voters can look at and say "maybe all these people who say Edwards is self-serving and spineless were right after all."
The Edwards campaign's in an awful bind. If they fire her, the nutsroots will be furious that he kowtowed to the vast right wing conspiracy; if they don't fire her, despite whatever cutely-worded press release they put out to the contrary, he will be (and should be) associated with her intemperate oeuvre.
The thing about swearing. Lookit, I don't have any objection to people swearing. You will find posts and comments of mine that include cusswords, and that's not shocking. What's so difficult to take about leftie blogs -- and again, Marcotte is no different in this regard -- is the torrent of profanity, the tourette's-like obsession with every other sentence containing at least one swear word to prove just how inchoately angry the poster is. It suggests that the person has little self control and a poor command of the English language, and why would one gravitate towards that in a written medium? Is this how these people talk in every day conversation? I guess it must be. People who are turned up to 11 day in day out are terribly boring. It's like trying to have a conversation with Axl Rose. And honestly, who has the f*cking time. ;)
Needless to say, my objection to Bush's calling the Constitution but "a goddamned piece of paper" has nothing to do with objecting to mild expletives. ;)
Yawn
A spade is a spade (or a manual excavation implement, for the overly-PC) but it's not a ******* ****ing ****** spade unless you're an essentially juvenile person with a very limited vocabulary, little self-control, and no other means of expressing yourself. The reflexive use of profanity is, frankly, childish at best.
CPDtm doesn't change that, and leads nowhere. Even if it can be fun at times for angst relief. I really don't care much about the debate itself, as I think candidates will automatically receive their just rewards for hiring anyone too publicly obnoxious, and it's thus a self-curing problem. Anyone shocked that paid political hacks act like paid political hacks needs to stay out of politics and go play checkers instead, and any paid political hack who has no ammunition other than mindless rage and f-bombs is going to end up working a lot of losing campaigns.
I would beg Simon to read the footer, and thank Jean for having done so.
Which footer?
Which footer?
The one you should see at
The one you should see at the bottom of this here center column where the comments leave off, in grey font, if your new computer isn't screwed up and unable to show the text. The final sentence of same, where it reads "Profanity is not tolerated." I suppose you could argue that f-bombing is not technically profanity, but that would be rather small-minded of you.
No fair asking others to abide by that rule if we won't. No fair even having it if we violate it ourselves.
Amended, but under protest.
Amended, but under protest.
ease of mockery
I'm relatively untroubled by the proscription on profanity even though it's generally one of preferred oevres. :-)
If you have any sense of humor, you have to laugh at the ease of mockery of such a policy when folks routinely write f*****g, f**king, and even f*cking. No one is confused, right? Yet abiding by the rules in such instances to me is simply a matter of trying to be a good guest.
I agree with Tully that in abundance profanity is little more than juvenile, to say nothing of inarticulate. So an anti-profanity policy is if nothing else a good way to challenge folks to express themselves more articulately.
And let's face it, the social taboo feeds the rarity that lends expletives whatever power they are granted.
I love how "A Christmas Story" deals with profanity, especially when the narrator says something like "my father worked in obscenity the way some artists worked in oils. He wove a tapestry of obscenity that's still hovering somewhere out over Lake Michigan."
Protest all you wish...
...but it's almost as hollow as the Dems whining about DADT. Shouldn't we abide by our own rules? Or get rid of any we're not willing to abide by? What I'm not open to is employing a double standard. BTW, there is still actual (definitional) profanity in your post. What, you thought only crude obscenities qualified? C'mon, we all have bigger vocabularies than that!
If you wanna argue we should change the standard, go right ahead. I will happily abide by the group consensus, though it will have zero effect on my own writing. But it is our standard, and our guests abide by it, and we should too. If nothing else, it provides that momentary check that forces the writer to consider their words before committing them to immortal electrons, resulting in more coherent discourse. It serves as a reminder to the writer that Rule #1, in its entirety, is not an empty sentiment.
And it occasionally produces some truly artful and admirable elocutions that say all the same things but with both eloquence and style instead of blunt-force bludgeoning trauma, which I for one truly appreciate.
Just sayin'. :-)
[RE: Christmas Story--I hear that tapestry actually made its way to Lake Superior, and that's what REALLY sank the Edmund Fitzgerald...]
And for those who just can't
And for those who just can't get enough of the f-word, I link to one my favorite audio discourses on it. DEFINITELY NOT SAFE FOR WORK, but funny. Put on the headphones or turn down the sound...I agree as to versatility, but don't find that much of an excuse for using a catch-all that loses all meaning by denaturing the meaning to essentially nothing but punctuation.
"It will identify the quality of your character immediately."
I'm not ready to suggest
I'm not ready to suggest changing the rules, merely that a blind eye should occaisionally be turned (this goes for commenters and principles) when the use is clearly non-gratuitous and intended to make a point, as it was here.
LOL. I'll cease debate. My
LOL. I'll cease debate. My point is made.