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Whatever
What does he believe? What does he stand for? This is, after all, the central question. When it is pointed out that he has had almost--almost--two years in the U.S. Senate, and before that was an obscure state legislator in Illinois, his supporters compare him to Lincoln. But Lincoln had become a national voice on the great issue of the day, slavery. He rose with a reason. Sen. Obama's rise is not about a stand or an issue or a question; it is about Sen. Obama. People project their hopes on him, he says.
He's exactly right. Just so we all know it's projection.
Obama spent his short lifetime breathing in the common liberal/leftist wisdom, which he exhales at length. This is not something new--it's something old in a new package.
Senator Obama strikes me, I suppose, as being very much like Senator George Allen. I was aware that Allen was considered a frontrunner for the GOP nomination, that an awful lot of people thought that he was just great, which is so much like the fawning attention paid to Obama. But I just didn't get it: I couldn't understand what was so special about Allen, who seemed, at best, to be an unoutstandingly mediocre Senator with an undistinguished career before that. Likewise Obama: I can't understand how these people who are projecting their own feelings onto him can do so without recognizing that you can only project effectively onto a blank canvas.
Post facto:
Obama dips a toe in the water (1/17/07)
More thoughts on Obama (1/17/07)
Barak Obama, "centrist" (2/12/07)
Obambi's NEW new logo (2/13/07)
Obama's stop the war bill (2/15/07)
Pride in being an American is "disturbing" and a "sell out" (6/19/07)
Obama puts theory into practice (8/16/07)
Inexperience = experience (12/18/07)
People's exhibit... oh, I've lost count (12/21/07)
It's supposed to be magnaminity - not idiocity - in victory (1/3/08)
By the way- (1/23/08)
Pandering from Obama on Don't Ask Don't Tell (4/13/08)
And they wonder why I scoff at the "Obama is eloquent" claim (5/12/08)
Support John McCain (11/3/08)
wishful thinking
It's wishful thinking for scared Republicans to compare him to Allen, the definition of an empty suit. How many bestsellers did Allen write.
Of course, you can certainly to be relied upon to be one of the first to echo the spin the GOP is going to rely upon:
1. Same old liberalism, new package
2. no substance and not much experience
It's not that there's nothing to such criticisms. There's something to them, although how much is debatable. The issue is that neither addresses the real problem he presents for the GOP, which is that, goshdarnit, people like him. A lot. An awful lot.
This wouldn't be a problem if the GOP had delivered while it controlled congress. But instead, it delivered a different brand of the same old same old invasiveness and overspending. That means the GOP has a credibility problem. The clock has run out on the GOP. Obama is going to ride the pendulum as it swings back towards blue collar and middle classfolks listening to the promises of a young hopeful guy who says we can do much better for minorities, and lower income people, and middle class folks who have felt left out or left behind. Is that last sentence rhetoric? Sure. But it's also connected to a real feeling that such folks have been experiencing.
The GOP might have had enough of those folks ears to stay in charge for over a decade. But they're starting to get tuned out. If they want to win in 2008, they are going to have to do much better than "omigawd it's a liberal, hide the kids!" They're going to have to re-fight a bunch of arguments they assumed they had won on their merits, but really won because liberalism had become ingrained and corrupt and exhausted. Now its conservatism that has become ingrained and corrupt and exhausted.
twins- ala Ah-nold and Devito
Obama's very much like Allen except that Obama's intelligent, articulate, charismatic, studied, serious, and considerate. Other than that, they're virtually identical.
Yes, but he doesn't stand
Yes, but he doesn't stand for anything. He may well be serious, articulate and erudite (I don't really see the "charismatic" part, and note that plenty of people accused Allen of the same thing), but if those were the criteria for political office, we would have a Senate full of professors, not lawyers. Ideas matter, and so far as I can tell, Obama has little to offer on that front.
As to evaluating a candidate because he has his name on the dust jacket of a bestseller (or, still less, because he found a good ghostwriter)? Please. If that was the criterion, it's a mystery how Goldwater got crushed by Johnson, or why it any more empowers Obama than it does Hillary.
I'm not any more hostile to Obama than I am to any other Democratic Senator, but there seems nothing to reccomend him as outstanding.
will it stick?
FWIW, I am not really challenging the validity of your criticism, as much as I am challenging that it will work as an effective criticism against him with the GP.
I tend to believe that he did write the lion's share of both of his books, simply because he seems entirely capable of it. I sort of doubt that these books lack ideas. There are lots of different ways to stand for things, and the people that like Obama seem convinced he stand for the sorts of things they want a leader to stand for.
Don't you really mean to say that he has failed to stand for specific policy prescriptions? IMO, he knows EXACTLY what he's doing there. I predict that he continues to skillfully demur for the most part.
If you get the feeling that the primary "things" Obama currently stands for are a laundry list of happy-sounding things no one is against (hope, opportunity, family, a good education, yadayadayada), I'm not going to say you're wrong. I tend to agree.
But notice that people who vote for this guy are going to do so because of how he makes them feel. People want to feel that their leader has been watching their lives, understands their problems, feels their pain, cares about it, and is deeply committed to doing something about it.
You Simon, are a classical guy. You want principles and policies and nuts and bolts and gears and levers, and above all, reason. But the GP will fall for romance every time. Running for the Presidency is a romantic courtship. How many times have you gotten the girl with a loaf of bread by convincing her she can't eat the hunky guy's bouquet of roses?
That explains the Gary Hart presidency....
But the GP will fall for romance every time.
:-)
Not to mention...
...the Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy Presidencies.
Happy Birrrrrrrrrrthday, missss-terpresident
Maybe he'll wear the wrong tie
Brian, I'm not saying that you are wrong about how people vote. But is that really what we SHOULD care about? Simon isn't writing a national advertising campaign. He is posting a question HERE... where people tend to be interested in more then hearing nice sounding platitudes from candidates. No can control how the rest of the GP votes... we can just control how WE vote. So why should WE consider Obama? Other then the fact that he seems to be popular and can speak purty?
Heck, I'm not even saying that communicating with people on that level isn't IMPORTANT.... heck, I don't think anyone can look at FDR's speeches after Pearl Harbor or in the midst of the Great Depression and believe they didn't do alot in helping to give people the confidence to do what they needed to turn things around.
However emotional appeal shouldn't be the ONLY thing a candidate has going for them. I'm with Simon, I want to see under the hood before I buy a car.
I think you underestimate
I think you underestimate the GP. Charisma is only big when the vote is close. It probably was enough for JFK over Nixon. Clinton won on his platform and a bad economy. Now not having any charisma is probably more damaging, though. I consider Gore and Kerry the anti-charisma example. We certainly know that being articulate is not a key item with the GP. You need to have the ideas and then lay the charisma on.
What the GP does not do is really care at this point. Right now, charisma is all the GP cares about. It is a help for him in fundraising. A year from now, charisma will fall down. If charisma and looks were all that mattered, all of our elected leaders would look like the Governor of Alaska.
valid points
Cengel and Jim, I think you both make good points, ones I don't really disagree with.
What I am trying to do here is make clear a hypothesis that I have. That hypothesis concerns my answer to the question "what is it that the public is likely to be hungry for if things keep going as they do?"
One thing we wonks do is look at trends that suggest little rules of thumb, like say "Governors make better Presidents" or "Governors make more appealing Prez candidates." Nothing wrong with that, but such rules tend to obscure the notion that every election is different, sort of like every snowflake. The criticism of Obama seems centered on his lack of experience. I'm just calling attention to the fact that the way things are going, the "young and fresh" brand could be especially appealing. IOW, what we wonks see as a bug may indeed be a feature.
Look under the hood? Absolutely. We all ought to make our own measure of the man or woman. Experience sure counts. But I'm not going to disqualify someone simply for lack of experience, especially if the experienced alternative seems poised to use their experience as the basis for repeating or exacerbating past mistakes. Nor will I vote for Obama because I think he talks a good game. What I get from him so far is a combination of unusual perceptiveness, shrewdness, and high intelligence. I'm stil waiting to see how intelligently he'll speak to the directions he wants to lead us on Iraq, social security, and so on. But I am at this point more willing than usual to listen. he has my ear.
Obama's charisma buys him one very important thing. The ears of the public, and a little bit of credulity when it comes to vague, nice-sounding rhetoric.
Concurrently, the circumstances of the GOP leave them with the opposite condition, the problem that they may get tuned out. People may be tired of listening to how important success in Iraq is, especially if they feel success is highly unlikely. And so they may well seriously discount even the most earnest and sober of pronouncements insisting on our original high goals for Iraq. Sort of like a coach losing his team. If you can't trade the whole team, then the coaching staff has to go, even if the coach is more right and the players more wrong.
A year from now, charisma will fall down. If charisma and looks were all that mattered, all of our elected leaders would look like the Governor of Alaska.
Maybe so. But be careful not to conflate charisma with appearance. Good looks can be a drawback when combined with the wrong personality or intellect. You can feel like an empty suit or a lightweight. Just ask Dan Quayle or John Edwards. Obama isn't especially good-looking. He has huge ears. Give him John Kerry's personality and he feels just as much like Lurch.