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Before we get carried away, to be fair to Obama, I can't find a transcript of his remarks. Although the CBS story that Ace of Spades relies on characterizes Obama's remark as having claimed his uncle / grandfather / composite character was among the U.S. troops liberating Auschwitz, it's a paraphrase not a quote. That ought to be treated as a big flashing "caution" sign. The WaPo account that Allahpundit uses to bolster the claim also paraphrases, but indicates a less obviously flawed claim: that Obama said that his uncle was "one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz."
To be sure, he may well have stuck his foot in it again; nevertheless, opponents of Obama should be careful: be sure that we're attacking him for gaffes he has actually made before opening fire, otherwise we end up looking like the boy who cried wolf, and people stop paying attention. Measure twice, cut once, as they say.
Added: Newsbusters has the video (unfortunately Jodi Miller isn't in this one; you'll find her here). It turns out that both ABC's and the WaPo's paraphrases are correct: Obama said that his uncle "was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps." I'm minded to give Obama the benefit of the doubt in this instance. I think extemporaneous remarks should be given some latitude, absent good reasons not to. As long as it's verified that a relative that Obama has long considered an uncle (playing gotcha about whether Uncle Phil is actually your parent's sibling won't cut it if you've called him uncle Phil your whole life) was a member of one of the earliest groups of U.S. forces into Auschwitz (or any other concentration camp - as Tully points out in the comments, U.S. forces liberated the Buchenwald and Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camps), we'll chalk it up to Obama's inept public speaking. If even that claim turns out to be false, however, all bets are off. Wrong on the specifics in off-the-cuff remarks is forgivable (Scalia once gave a speech referring to a case called BMW v. Bush that he dissented in, making a point of saying that it wasn't the Bush you're thinking of; the case is actually BMW v. Gore, so you can see which wires got crossed), but the story has to be basically true for him to get out of this one.
But he is still seeing dead
But he is still seeing dead people. That's gotta count for something.
I also note it wasn't OUR troops who liberated Auschwitz. That would be the 322nd Rifle Division of the Red Army. The Third Army under Patton liberated Buchenwald and the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camps in upper Austria.
So maybe...
So maybe it was a grandfather/uncle on his socialist father's side, fighting for the Red Army... ;-)
Kind of the gaffe you would think one catches ASAP
And then there are some gaffes that come from minset. Obama said that our invasion of Iraq has depleted the Arabic translators we need badly for Afghanistan. Unfortunately, Obama didn't understand at the time, Afghanis don't speak Arabic.
Interesting theory Pat. Perhaps we can start a general file called Gaffegate.
A few days ago, I linked a time-sensitive web page showing several gaffes and mistruths from Obama as well as truthful claims by McCain. I guess I was not the only person to notice Obama's poor showing and within several hours the web page at Poli-Fact Check switched Obama's failing grade to a list of "truthful" comments by Obama. The site stayed with his "new" veracity for days actually reprinting his "old" comments on lobbyists. Funny how that works.
P.S. More on Obama gaffes
Inept Public Speaking
I didn't realize jug ears was reknown as an inept public speaker.
Good to know that.
More like W everyday
1. he's making obvious gaffes
2. he has a coterie of blind faithful
3. he's never served in the military AT ALL
4. he has blind faith that getting out of Iraq will solve all the problems
5. whenever someone criticizes him, he tries to divert the question or accuse someone (ok that's more his fans)
I find it funny that the Ewoks that worship O haven't recognized that he's making the same mistakes they accuse W of.
Let's pray there's no hurricane.
Rachel
I don't put bumperstickers on my car for the same reason I don't sell advertising space on my pants? James Lileks
Also of note is that this is
Also of note is that this is not the first time Obama has made such a claim. From his 2002 speech against the Iraq War, as shown on his own web site:
The records indicate that his grandfather Stanley signed up June 18th, 1942, not the day after Pearl Harbor, and Stanley's brother Ralph was drafted May 28, 1942. His only other uncle or g'uncle was Charles W. Payne of Sedgwick County, Kansas, his grandmother's younger brother. The only Charles W. Paynes that entered the service in Kansas during WW2 both enlisted in the Navy. Stanley served honorably and is buried in Punchbowl National Cemetery in Hawaii. No word on Ralph or Charles.
Buchenwald and Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camps stick in my memory as the only camps liberated by Patton's Third Army, but other concentration camps were liberated by other American troops. For example, Dachau was liberated by the Seventh Army under Alexander Patch. (Patton only had the Seventh for the Sicily Invasion.)
Treblinka closed in 1943 after being nearly destroyed in a prisoner revolt. Auschwitz was liberated by the 322nd Rifle Division of the Red Army. Both camps were deep in Poland, and neither were visited by American troops. None that we know of, anyway.
Personally if it were MY family history, I think I'd try to get it straight. Even if it were what he was told by family members, the story seems to have grown a bit and changed over the last six years.
Update from Politico
Update here, Although I wonder if in fact Obama's relative was one of the liberating soldiers. If so, not a major gaffe, but quite typical as new stories about his relationship with his mother surface. Now there is a history you think Obama would get right. Not sure how this figures into the great scheme of things.
Based on what I just read, it looks like Obama just mixed
up the camps. He meant to say Buchenwald, but said Auschwitz. Kind of embarrassing still, but hardly the scandal it first seemed, if it ever was one.
"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
John 16:33
Yes this is nitpicking but...
Given who he just spoke to last week it would seem he would want to get these little details correct.
Chris
Good point.
"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
John 16:33
Now he says Ohrduf, which
Now he says Ohrduf, which wasn't really "liberated" so much as discovered. (I don't think there were any survivors there to liberate when it was found.) Part of the Buchenwald complex. Yes, that would make a powerful impression...but I still think I'd have my family history straight as to which camp was which, if I respected history at all.
Now it's Charles W. Payne ("Obama's grandmother's brother") who saw the camp and fought with Patton. Payne is apparently still alive. I wonder where he enlisted or was drafted, given what I found in the Kansas records indicating Naval enlistment, not Army, for both Charles W. Paynes who entered the service in Kansas. (Charles W. Payne was apparently born in 1924 in
Wichitathe Augusta area.)Bojemoi. More spin, or the record being straightened out? If the latter, shame he couldn't get it right the first time or three.
Washington Post's Fact Check
Washington Post's Fact Check gives us the NEW spin!
Minimal Google-fu reveals that Obama's grandmother Madelyne Payne had only one brother, and his name is Charles W. Payne. Charles W. Payne is two years younger than his sister, and presumably was still living with his parents in central Kansas at age 16 when his 18-yr-old sister met 22-yr-old Stanley Dunham in Wichita. The only two people named Charles W. Payne who joined the service in Kansas during WW2 enlisted in the Navy, which notably did not march with Patton.
It is of course possible that neither of those two was Obama's mother's uncle, that he joined in some other state, that his middle initial was misreported. But this story is weird. If the 89th Infantry Division had a Charles (any initial) Payne from Kansas in early 1945 (I'm checking for sources) then we're getting somewhere. If it didn't, someone's lying.
One Obama supporter
suggested that maybe Obama was moved to the Marines from the Navy. Still the Marines didn't capture Ohrduf. Here is who did. I hope you can get to the bottom of this story Tully. It would be shocking if the central claim is false. Jews may be extremely unforgiving about "not remembering" such terrible history correctly.
And there is also another irony that comes up in my link. Ike was furious that so many did not believe what the Germans had done. He despised the denial of guilt and atrocity, thus he ordered many of Germans and allies to witness the facts. Perhaps if and when Obama visits Ahmadinejad, he can bring his great uncle should truth be found at the heart of Obama's Buchenwald story.
So, Obama supporters know
So, Obama supporters know just as much history as their candidate?
I'm still digging, but that's a lot of unit rosters to find and go through.
Yep....
It appears that way Tully. When offered the chance to have you all clue them in they obviously declined and instead sought internet links that they "believe" imply Obama's great uncle could have enlisted in the Navy and then moved to the Marines, somehow ending up capturing Buchenwald. Wow. I read Wiki and I didn't quite get that.
I confess Tully and others here. I had no idea Democrats were so religious. A kind of NeoDualism. Astounding really in this twenty-first century world. And the oddest thing is that I did not arrive at this profound social observation by actually becoming more conservative.
Could be overreacting here, but I'm still getting an odd smell
from this. It really is embarrassing to mix things up like this, and you're right Max, if this ends up being bogus, then I'd say he's got another scandal on his hands. I'm pretty sure this is ultimately no big deal, though.
"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
John 16:33
Embarrassing at best, but
Embarrassing at best, but mostly the lack of historical knowledge is what I find appalling. In someone who wants to be C-in-C, that is.
Not that GW got an "A" in world history
Chris
Obama seems to get an awful
Obama seems to get an awful lot of history wrong. Even immediate history, such as the "ten thousand dead" in Greensburg last year.