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Submitted by Simon on Thu, 09/04/2008 - 10:16am

The bad news is that 49% of Americans are either idiots or work for the media, insofar as only 51% say that reporters are trying to hurt Palin, something almost but not quite as obviously true as "the sun rises in the east." Ross Douthat has this pithy take on the press' vicious attempt to pole-axe Palin; Ace of Spades has more; how much of an idiot do you have to be not to see why the McCain camp is hostile towards the media lately? Oh. That much. If you're wondering which side of the divide Hillary Clinton falls, by the way, she's with us.

The same poll says that "Thirty-nine percent (39%) also believe the GOP vice presidential nominee has better experience to be president of the United States than Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama." Not sure what planet the other 61% are living on, but there's time.

I wonder if any of this

I wonder if any of this is a reaction to the John Edwards affair (i.e. "we're not going to get scooped by the National Enquirer!")

Its just hard to figure how any credible news organization would follow up on a wild (and unvetted) accusation from an obviously partisan blog.

Unfortunately, IMHO, more and more news organizations have become daily Opinion pages (with a little reporting on the side). They have become the blogosphere. Fox news won the day.
Chris

If they'd just let slip the

If they'd just let slip the rumor that Edwards was the real father of Trig Palin, the media silence would have been deafening... ;-)

PS

PS Simon this isn't worthy of you

The bad news is that 49% of Americans are either idiots or work for the media

Don't do what New Yorkers did in '04
Chris

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time figuring out how anyone who looks at how the media has gone after Palin in the last seven days could honestly avoid the conclusion that they're out to destroy her for Obama. The viciousness of it - and the sheer gall of the double-standard (they're calling her inexperienced?! For liberals to tout that theory in light of their ticket takes breathtaking nerve) is stunning.

One needn't be a McCain backer to see how openly unfair, sexist,

and sleazy the attacks on Palin have been. It's quite revolting, and the media seems to be in denial. She was attacked and dogged by the press and many Dems right out of the gate. Some of the comments in the Politico story amazed me. Sally Quinn's comments are laughable, considering her recent bouts of stupidity. Ed Schultz is insane. It amazes me how people are so quick to throw out their principles just to get this woman, and her running made.

"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

Not sure what planet the other 61% are living on,...

If the subject quote was tongue-in-cheek, please ignore the rest of this.

What bothers me about this statement is that you think I must be on another planet (not literally, of course) for thinking Obama's experience is greater than Palin's. The thing is, I think it's close enough for reasonable people to disagree, so I don't think you must be from another planet to think differently than I do on this.

I do think it's bothersome if you think I'm some kind of lunatic for thinking that being a member of the US Senate is comparable to being Governor of Alaska for half a term. Alaska is the largest state in area, but has less than a tenth the population of my home state. As far as being the mayor of a town of less than 10,000, I would compare that to being in the Illinois senate, rather than to being a community organizer. Perhaps that's more on par with the PTA thing.

Is any of this really that crazy? Maybe, just maybe, I'm actually wrong. It's not a 1 + 1 sort of question, so maybe my judgement is a bit off. Who knows for sure? But do I really have to be nuts (along with the rest of the 61%)?

I do think it's bothersome

I do think it's bothersome if you think I'm some kind of lunatic for thinking that being a member of the US Senate is comparable to being Governor of Alaska for half a term. Alaska is the largest state in area, but has less than a tenth the population of my home state. As far as being the mayor of a town of less than 10,000, I would compare that to being in the Illinois senate, rather than to being a community organizer.

Lunatic, no. Somewhat muddled about their respective functions and operations, yes. In military terms, it's the difference between staff officers and line officers. Staff officers may make nice shiny policies, but line officers hold command and have to implement, administer, and live with those policies and their results day-by-day...and with those most affected by them.

At the local/county level, governing elected officials often act as BOTH line and staff officers. They are their own legislators within the legal bounds set for them, and they have to live with administering their decisions on the applied governing-executive level...and with their constituents on a daily basis.

You simply do not get that experience or perspective at the legislative level. A city councilperson of a mid-sized town probably gets more practical governing experience in a year than a state legislator does in ten. Perversely enough, smaller areas often provide more intense experience, having less staff structure to pawn off duties to. (A big-city mayor must perforce delegate near-entirely, a small-town mayor is hands on.)

Personally I think that legislators should be sentenced to required to spend an amount of time equal to at least half their time served in legislative office actually having to administer at the local/state level the results of the legislation they pass. I suspect that would radically improve the quality of both our legislators and our laws. I just haven't invented the time machine and longevity techniques such a policy requires. :-)

I should add

that many of the attacks in the media and elsewhere were way out of line. Yes, there were plenty of people out to destroy Palin. Disputing factual claims is one thing, but going after her daughter or printing unverified rumors are totally wrong.

with you whq

I agree wholeheartedly with you, WHQ. This shows mostly that the media is on its OWN side, because they've chosen to highlight every little thing that could possibly be questioned. That's what they do.

It's extremely insulting of Simon to suggest that most folks are nuts if they think the treatment Palin has gotten is fundamentally different than the kind of treatment other new political celebrities have gotten. I say that as someone who has spent the last few days defensing Palin from the most moronic overstatements. (And yes, one could argue that Obama got kid gloves for some time, but let's notice that he was not suddenly thrust from public obscurity to the doorstep of the white house.)

There's a fair amount of conflating what the media has reported with the most moronic one-sided blog arguments floated by partisans. I've seen lots of leftidiot bloggers try to make the unconvincing case that Palin is fundamentally inexperienced in a way that Obama is not. In fact, I ridiculed this argument in advance, as soon as Palin was announced. What I have seen from media reports is an accounting of a record that sounds a little thin because she's only 44. Personally, I like the pta-city council-mayor-governor progression. She hasn't been sitting around whittling.

Like you say, they have very comparable experience. I said this last Friday when she was announced, and there's really no way around that unless you're a partisan. Like you, I count their records as roughly equal.

BTW, you may remember me as bk from centerfield, my usual handle these days is kranky kritter.
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I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole

bk AKA kranky kritter AKA bucyrus

Of course I remember you. I knew you had gone to kranky kritter, but didn't know you were also bucyrus. I assume you're still into Blues. I saw Buddy Guy a few weeks ago in Philly. He's just about John McCain's age, and he can manhandle an axe. (But I'm still voting for Obama.)

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