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Submitted by Simon on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 8:26am

He wasn't a conservative, a "right radical" or a populist, and there's too little content in "compassionate conservatism" for anyone to be called one of those - so what was Bush? John O'Sullivan meditates on the subject. It's an argument we'll be having for a long time, I suspect.

It still seems way too early

It still seems way too early to put the Bush presidency in historical perspective. (It may even be too early for such action with the Clinton presidency.) Given that, I do think the Bush presidency highlights a key challenge(s) for conservatives:
-if skepticism regarding the limits and power of a central government is a core tenant, how does that belief inform governance (i.e. "What shall we do if what we will do is more than likely to cause harm?")
- How do you sell "not doing something" to the public? The financial crisis has brought that difficulty into keen focus (and exposed John McCain's essential dilemma with conservatism; he's a "man of action". Ironically, in deeds, candidate Obama conveyed the more "conservative approach".)

I agree that it's too early

I agree that it's too early to make meaningful assessments of the Clinton administration, so I agree a fortiori that evaluations of the Bush administration are premature. I do think that the topic O'Sullivan brings up is one that can be discussed meaningfully (if incompletely) in the here and now, however: what was the administration trying to do? What was its core philosophy? What principles guided it? Revealed preference can tell us a lot, although judgments are necessarily tentative (we can assume arguendo that the administration did what it did out of choice rather than because its hand was forced, although that assumption should be recognized as an assumption and explored as documents become available).

I agree with you in a sense that the legacy of the Bush administration poses a challenge for conservatives, but I think of that challenge in the way noted in this post. The Bush administration wasn't a small government conservative administration. It didn't act that way, and I frankly doubt that Bush even believed in it (Bush is one of Richard Posner's type 3 republicans - a social conservative). So the challenge that I have in mind may be different from the one you do: the challenge I perceive is, how does the GOP sell conservatism to a general public that thinks - wrongly - that they've already seen that over the last eight years?

Obama was not more conservative, just more clueless

How do you sell "not doing something" to the public? The financial crisis has brought that difficulty into keen focus (and exposed John McCain's essential dilemma with conservatism; he's a "man of action". Ironically, in deeds, candidate Obama conveyed the more "conservative approach".)

Obama was not more conservative, just more clueless. He was scared of putting a foot down anywhere until he was securely elected, so he just kept his mouth shut.

And I do not trust him to do anything on his own wihout having his handheld. He avoided going to the G20 summit and played golf in his private club in HI without one word about the violence in Gaza. This is leadership?

And don't give me this "one president at a time" nonsense. If he has the hubris to cook up the Office of the President-Elect, he can go to international meetings and discuss foreign and domestic policy.

Not only beg to differ...

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there's too little content in "compassionate conservatism" for anyone to be called one of those

Not only beg to differ, but a loud B******T! from this quarter.

To quote Gerson (whom O'Sullivan makes such a point of sneering at and savaging for heresy and apostacy) "Compassionate conservatism is the theory that the government should encourage the effective provision of social services without providing the service itself." Com/con existed well before W made the national scene, and has inspired some of the most successful ACTUAL government reforms and low-funding/no-funding projects of the last two decades, such as workfare.

O'Sullivan uses Bush as a caricature to declare com/con hollow and to practice the CPD™ of declaring it a heresy in the conservative church while displaying his own right-sided BDS. As convincing as a Baptist minister declaring his own congregation the One True Faith, and those darn so-called cross-town Baptists a bunch of Godless heathens because their minister once patted a married woman on the butt at the Sunday picnic. Or a Jesuit sneering at Trappists as Satanists because they brew strong ale.

O'Sullivan in the end tells us NOTHING substantive about either Bush or com/con, only about himself and his own political hatreds and snobberies, and whom he wants out of the One Club of True Conservatives (for which he has apparently declared himself the entire membership committee). Which is pretty much anyone and everyone who criticizes or doesn't agree with O'Sullivan's definition of "real" conservatism.

Gosh

Tully was much more emphatic in his response than I but both his and Simon's response circle back to my question. and specifically:

Simon;
I think the common thread in our comments is the public perception of what is "conservative". That would seem to be a BIG problem because if you can't define it for the consuming public then they won't buy it.

Tully;
I agree that com/con'ism precedes GW. I have sympathies for Com/con but also sympathize with the counterargument "How does government encourage the effective provision of social services without providing the service itself?" Is this a bully pulpit sort of presidency ("Executive advocate") or it it "active" in any way? And if its active does it inevitably end up being criticized for "getting in the way" (i.e. regulation) or "spending too much" (i.e. program expenditures)

I really believe that if you remove the Religious conservative aspects of this discussion, this debate is at the core of what a "post-Reagan era" Republican Party will be.

Answer: By faciliting and encouraging

have sympathies for Com/con but also sympathize with the counterargument "How does government encourage the effective provision of social services without providing the service itself?"

Answer: By faciliting and encouraging the coordination of service provision between local community agencies, rather than encouraging an all-or-nothing exclusionary grant process that requires damn near re-inventing the wheel and rebuilding the basic agency infrastructure every grant cycle, as the "package" grant awards switch from one uber-provider to another.

The "feast or famine" bust-boom cycle at the local level is both counter-productive of effective service provision and efficient service provision. It encourages and facilitates waste and inefficiency. At the actual applied level, private community/social agencies such as churches and NGOs can, and given the chance DO, coordinate service provision between themselves so as to maximize services delivered and reward the most efficient provision of same for any given level of funding IF they are allowed to coordinate their services and can be assured of some continuity of funding. And they have an enormously better grasp of local needs and conditions than any program out of Washington can possibly dictate.

The provisions allowing for multiple public/private agencies to apply for single grant packages covering multiple services (such as the HUD SuperNOFA apps) has done a HUGE amount of good for effective and efficient service delivery in my area. I have seen this. I have DONE this. The Bush admin made it possible. It was a core policy change that falls squarely under "compassionate conservatism" and the loosening of former top-down rules to allow (encourage!) local agencies (including those of religious origin/basis) more access to the overall process funding. Not only by allowing smaller agencies to participate and focus on specialty areas of expertise, but also by fostering greater cooperation and coordination among the entire spectrum of community agencies in any given area. Where applied, it works, and it gets much more "bang for the buck" in social service provision while using the same or fewer federal bucks.

Assuming, of course, that your MSA doesn't just piss it all away corruptly, in which case it makes no difference one way or another no matter what you do.

This is not "big government" at all. This is applying the most basic of market principles to the arena of social services, namely cooperative specialization efficiencies and local market expertise. Pure competition is NOT always better when the competition process itself discourages cooperative-market efficiencies at the micro level--as the package-grant single-winner system does. Even where government is already providing paying for the services, the revised process improves the delivery without raising the cost.

O'Sullivan misses the mark in a lot of places here, but he

echoes my sentiment somewhat here:

Now, the invasion of Iraq can be reasonably described as radical. But there is nothing particularly right-wing about dislodging a fascist dictator on grounds that combined democracy promotion, humanitarian intervention, opposition to nuclear proliferation, and the enforcement of U.N. resolutions. Indeed, the case for the Iraq invasion is a litany of liberal-interventionist beliefs. That perhaps explains why almost every prominent Democrat except for Barack Obama (who hadn’t been elected to the Senate yet) supported the invasion (and why many right-wing radicals such as Pat Buchanan were firmly opposed to it).

This is true, that the liberation of Iraq was in many ways a stroke of muscular liberalism, although I don't think Bush understood that, I think this partly explains why there were so many missteps in the execution of the policy pre-surge.

Bush may not be a right-wing radical, but he is a reactionary. Casting his immigration policy as strictly left-wing is laughable, and I'm still not buying that because his did increae spending, and was more moderate on education, and AIDS relief than the base, makes him a liberal.

Oh, and I'm not trying to defend Bush, or anything, but his broadsides against compassiative conservatism, and many of Bush's own motivations are so so over the top, that I almost end up symnpathizing with him.

Raf puts his finger on an

Raf puts his finger on an essential point regarding Iraq. It was in a way, muscular liberalism and Bush had an opportunity to turn the tables on the Democrats over human rights, national security and free markets. The problem was that such a risky business required transparency, reasonable criteria other nations could mimic and fantastic planning and execution. He was sloppy and was a very poor speaker. His PR was terrible. Still, he got the Democrats to become isolationists and never really made them pay for their 2004 boasts of stopping Iran, Hizb'Allah, Syria or even Sudan. Hillary lost because she was deemed too hawkish, or muscularly Liberal. Not once did Bush mention Jefferson, even with pirates off Somalia. History will probably be kinder than CNN. In a way, he was as stupid about blowback as Clinton was about cigars, but in a different way.

What Tully said about O'Sullivan. Wasn't Franklin a com/con?

The media can't let O look bad

History will just report the facts.."historians" will make the judgement. I teach the stuff. I hate when people use my profession as a weapon.

Now that that venting is out of the way...
I personally believe that as Obama has to continue to follow W's Iraqi course, W's actions will be publically validated. The earliest time I predict is by March of 2009. The media can't let O look bad, so all of the children's prisons and mass graves will be re-discovered,as well as Saddam's former stache of wealth, as if with O there was a sudden change from invasion to rescue.

I agree that W's pr was shoddy. But that never stopped the media to find stuff. It was there; they just did not want to give the rich white Repubican credit. They weren't scared like they were 9/11/01

I've believed since 2005 that Iraq is a Sandy Korea (sounds like a burlesque dancer). O is Eisenhower to W's Truman. O's even playing golf. That makes me LOL.

Just a point about history.

Just a point about history. The media has obstructed a "historical view" of events. It has consistently avoided a factual discussion about the historical realities between India and Pakistan, the present causes of problems in Pakistan, the events over the last year with Syria, the chronology of events in Caracas, the history of the sub prime mess, even the factual record of the surge. Now once again, media forgets this:

"Iran’s Gaza Battlefield

The big picture is obvious. The current conflict is not really about the classic Arab-Israeli process, which can resume between Israel, the Palestinian Authority and the Arab League anytime it is not obstructed. The Gaza fight is about Iran’s confrontation with Israel, and perhaps with the U.S. globally. A global strategic reading leads us to conclude that — just as we saw in Lebanon in 2006 -Tehran is pulling the strings and very smartly. Timing the Hamas end to the cease fire between two American presidencies in Washington and just before the Israeli and Palestinian elections, the Mullahs thought they would drag Israel into the Gaza battle on an Iranian timetable, triggering a “street” show of anger, boosted by the jihadi propaganda machine in the region with all the usual ramifications in the West. The astute Iranian move is to drag Israel enough into Gaza’s mud to indict it internationally so that any future Israeli strikes at Iran’s nuclear program will be seen as catastrophic. Tehran is calculating the minutia hoping Hamas will win at the end of the day, and that the Obama administration will begin its “talks” with Iran from an inferior position (since Israel will be blamed for the violence not the jihadists in Gaza). But the game has lots of risks, including the possibility that Hamas may lose its ability to be a military event maker after this campaign is over.

****
Dr Walid Phares is the Director of the Future Terrorism Project at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and the author of The Confrontation: Winning the War against Future Jihad"

So while it is difficult to get a handle on the "history" of the Clinton or Bush years, the warping of the record by the Press has skewed a general historical review of events plaguing us now. O'Sullivan and others add to the hack history. If we don't return to reporting the facts in real time, it will be longer than normal before the public has a clear historical picture of events that confront us today.

"Conservatism" Will Not Save Us

Forget "conservatism," please. It has been Godless and therefore irrelevant. Secular conservatism will not defeat secular liberalism because to God both are two atheistic peas-in-a-pod and thus predestined to failure. As Stonewall Jackson's Chief of Staff R.L. Dabney said of such a humanistic belief more than 100 years ago:

"[Secular conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today .one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt bath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It .is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth."

Our country is collapsing because we have turned our back on God (Psalm 9:17) and refused to kiss His Son (Psalm 2).

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican
JLof@aol.com

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