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The Fifth Seat

Submitted by Simon on Fri, 02/23/2007 - 8:29am

John Dean has a column up at findlaw that is worth noting if for no reason other than what it implicitly concedes. Responding to David Savage's LAT column (noted here and here), Dean observes that "Savage's analysis is a reminder that the High Court is closer than ever to a conservative tipping point. Today, the conservative bloc consists of Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and Samuel Alito. The center-left justices are John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer." Actually, Savage's analysis was an assertion that the court has passed the tipping point; Dean thus accidentally concedes the inconvenient truth that liberals have largely sought to submerge: there isn't a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Yet.

Dean's comparison of a Bush appointment to the Supreme Court in the next two years to President Adams' appointment of Chief Justice Marshall and the Midnight Judges after Adams lost the 1800 election does not merit response.

In seeking to forestall the emergence of a "solid conservative majority," Dean advises Senate Democrats to take one of two approaches, should another vacancy appear: either refuse to convene hearings, or refuse to confirm a "conservative" (exactly what that means is left to the reader's presuppositions). I suspect that Leahy is far too smart to hand the GOP a propaganda weapon like refusing to convene hearings, but precisely because of the imprecision of the term, refusing to confirm a nominee who is "too conservative" is probably their most viable strategy. Unfortunately for Dean, two can play at the historical analogy game; Senate Democrats who tried to play hardball with President Reagan lucked out and got themselves a Kennedy, but -- as John Dean of all people should know -- the Senate Democrats who played hardball with President Nixon got themselves a Rehnquist.

My preference would be for Bush to pick a fight. OTOH, I could actually imagine Democrats insisting on a blood oath to Roe as a precondition to holding hearings, which means - unpalatable though it may be - that we may need to tread water on abortion. As Jon Chait pointed out when Justice O'Connor retired, however (see Chait, Social Selection in THE NEW REPUBLIC, 7/25/05, p.18), the Supreme Court's job isn't just to resolve abortion cases, and a nominee who moves the court in the right direction on seven issues in ten is better than losing the whole shooting match. So maybe if history is repeating itself -- compare Rehnquist's rough ride and Scalia's easy sailing with Alito's rough ride and Roberts' easy sailing, and recall Robert Bork's fate once Democrats took back the Senate -- I can imagine a few compromise nominees I could live with, if the alternative is betting the farm on a favorable result in '08. What would be needed as a compromise is a moderate democrat who's pro-Roe but who could be trusted not to go finding new nooks and crannies throughout the Constitution, one who has a broad but not unlimited view of Presidential power, and ideally who has a view of federalism that is robust enough to please formalists but articulated in terms that capture the individual rights zeitgeist beloved of liberals. Someone who seems likely to grow as did Hugo Black rather than someone who seems likely to grow as did John Paul Stevens. Now where would we find one of those?

In the comments: Brian has a brilliant idea for a cartoon. Paging any readers who can draw!

What would be needed as a

What would be needed as a compromise is a moderate democrat who's pro-Roe but who could be trusted not to go finding new nooks and crannies throughout the Constitution, one who has a broad but not unlimited view of Presidential power, and ideally who has a view of federalism that is robust enough to please formalists but articulated in terms that capture the individual rights zeitgeist beloved of liberals.

Speaking as someone who most likely differs from you in most ways on judicial philosophy (i.e., I disagree with Scalia's judicial philosphy pretty strongly), I'll take the above. However, unless a President appoints an idealogue (left or right), it is impossible to predict how a Justice's judicial philosophy will evolve. That being said, history shows that they tend to move to a more liberal/pragmatic (for lack of a better description) position.

And, speaking directly about Roe, which has been (as modified by Casey) good law for 30+ years, I would be surprised to see a traditionally conservative justice vote to outright overturn the decision (which is why I do not think Roberts will vote to overturn or substantially weaken Roe). But, while I generally support not overturning Roe, the benefits of overturning it would be that people would stop focusing on that one case and actually discuss the implication so judicial philosphies as they relate to other areas of the law.

"Of course, that ain't

"Of course, that ain't exactly plan A...!"

And in any event, it's a high bar to clear - I can think of a few, but a very few examples whose work I'm familiar enough (and happy enough) with to be comfortable about.

However, unless a President appoints an ideologue (left or right), it is impossible to predict how a Justice's judicial philosophy will evolve. That being said, history shows that they tend to move to a more liberal/pragmatic (for lack of a better description) position.

Well, recent history shows that Justices tend to move left, but I think that's something that's come about since the lionization of the Warren Court by the national elite - the infamous "Greehouse Effect" explained by Judge Silberman.

The difficulty is that unless you nominate someone who has a view of what law is, who has a process that they can apply which starts from principles and applies those principles to facts, even when it carries them to a result that they don't like, if you don't pick someone like that, they're going to drift, one way or another. The problem with an evolving constitution, as I suggested the other day, is that you can't guarantee it will evolve, only that it'll change. And sometimes that'll be for the better, sometimes for the worse.

[S]peaking directly about Roe, which has been (as modified by Casey) good law for 30+ years, I would be surprised to see a traditionally conservative justice vote to outright overturn the decision (which is why I do not think Roberts will vote to overturn or substantially weaken Roe). But, while I generally support not overturning Roe, the benefits of overturning it would be that people would stop focusing on that one case and actually discuss the implication so judicial philosphies as they relate to other areas of the law.

This starts to touch on a subject I intend to write a post about sometime in the next couple of months, which is stare decisis and my proposed rule about it. I had been persuaded by Lee Strang's argument that stare decisis was implicit in Article III, and thus, that originalists must account for it; unhappy with his proposed rule, however (in my view, an originalist theory of precedent must be a formalist theory of precedent, that is, it must be rule-like) I had started drafting and researching a paper setting out my view, only to have the unpleasant experience that I suppose most writers have had at some point: the discovery of a killer argument that obliterated my premise. I have bitten the bullet and conceded that my erstwhile certitude about Strang's theory of the demand for an originalist account was misplaced, or at least overstated. This has coincided -- without meaning to sound too pretentious about it -- with a growing sophistication in how I look at law over the last couple of years. In any event, the upshot is that even without the demand identified by Strang, I continue to view stare decisis as both an integral part of the American common law tradition and, for a conservative, a normative good, and since I remain a formalist, that suggests the need for an articulated formalist rule of precedent, which means that some of my idea will eventually surface, albeit in the less formal setting of a blog post. :)

All of which is a very long-winded and self-indulgent way of getting to the point, which is that one of my criteria for when a precedent should be overruled is how narrowly the rule announced by the precedent is confined, and thus, how much damage can it do: if the court reaffirms this precedent, can it be kept self-contained in similar cases (for example, Colorado River would be rock-solid under this criterion, even if I thought it were egregiously wrong as an original matter)? Can the principle announced by this case be contained in just this area of doctrine? What if it can't even be contained in just this area of law? Roe utterly fails to satisfy this criterion, and I would explicitly overrule Roe even if the abortion debate were settled once and for all by a Constitutional amendment, because my problem with that case is legal not moral: its flaw, its corrupting cancerous flaw, is the way of viewing the Constitution that it represents. Its principle is limitless, and limitlessly corrosive; it will leak (and in fact has flooded) into every area of jurisprudence. To be sure, Roe didn't invent this principle, but there is no case that more stands in the way of cauterizing the wound for reasons less-rooted in law.

prospects

How likely are we to see an opening in the next 23 months?

Am I correct in thinking that the most likely way for this to occur would be due to currently unforeseeable circumstances? Or is one of the non-conservative justices ill, infirm, very old, or eyeing greener pastures?

Well, JCG thinks it's

Well, JCG thinks it's unlikely. I would tend to agree, unless one of the Justices gets some bad medical news. The two most likely possibilies are Stevens and Ginsburg, neither of whom are likely to want to give Bush a chance to nominate their sucessor.

so that makes

So potentially that makes bloc control of SCOTUS a big issue for 2008, right? Merits aside, that could be a problem for Guiliani's "Roe is bad but...." position. Just because he's left explaining and defending.

I don't think it's an especially untenable position myself, but there is a question of how much complexity and sophistication (not to mention risk) the genpub will tolerate. I mean "I hear he wants to overturn RvW" is a meme that could have legs and power regardless of how much it reveals versus conceals.

FWIW, I don't know how much Guiliani is helping himself with his confusing explanation cited at Reason

There is nothing necessarily inconsistent about rejecting Roe v. Wade while opposing the state abortion bans it overturned. Indeed, it's a mark of intellectual honesty for a supporter of abortion rights to concede that the constitutional reasoning underlying the decision left much to be desired.

But if that's what Giuliani thinks, his explanation of his preference for strict constructionists is puzzling. "I have a very, very strong view that for this country to work, for our freedoms to be protected, judges have to interpret, not invent, the Constitution," he said during a recent visit to South Carolina. "Otherwise you end up, when judges invent the Constitution, with your liberties being hurt. Because legislatures get to make those decisions, and the legislature in South Carolina might make that decision one way and the legislature in California a different one."

This description might be accurate in some situations. In the case of abortion, however, the strict constructionist result Giuliani supposedly favors?overturning Roe v. Wade?would mean precisely that "legislatures get to make those decisions."

I think he needs a much clearer explanation than that. I don't really get the connection that activist judges lead to legislatures having more power. It's a weird thing to have said.

Apologies if this is too off-topic.

So potentially that makes

So potentially that makes bloc control of SCOTUS a big issue for 2008, right?

I can't think of any election since Roe when that hasn't been the case, apart from 1976, which was extraordinary circumstances anyway.

sure

Sure, but don't you think that Bush adding 2 solid conservatives leading to a 4-4-? split makes it more of an issue, especially if it turns out the GOP nom is talking about the flaws of RvW?

I'm not suggesting it's rational, but I definitely WILL suggest that for many folks (and especially women), the response to the idea that we ought to considering overturn RvW is "let's not go there," regardless of the quality of Guiliani's rationale.

IOW, while Guiliani's abortion position may be crafted to give each side some consolation, it may not please either. Not to pick on him specifically. If I were a cartoonist, I'd draw a tightrope labeled abortion with each wing holding one end and wiggling the rope. Romney could be in freefall, Guiliani about to go, and both sides would be yelling "next!"

Not especially, because up

Not especially, because up until SOC's departure, Kennedy has been popularly portrayed (inaccurately) as part of the conservative bloc. I think that it might be smart for the Democrats to play up the 4-4 split, but on the other hand, that could backfire if the GOP plays it right. If the dems say "elect a Republican and Roe is toast," that'll fire up their base, but it'll fire up the GOP too. It's a two-edged sword.

I think that the Reason magazine transcript has a number of problems; I'll try to find the video of Giuliani's discussion with Sean Hannity, but in the meantime, take a glance through this thread, which covers quite a lot of ground on the issue.

I'd like to see that cartoon!

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