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Whatever
Apparently being launched into the national spotlight by John McCain wasn't enough for one Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher:
Wurzelbacher told conservative radio host Glenn Beck that he felt “dirty” after “being on the campaign trail and seeing some of the things that take place.”
Recalling a conversation he had with McCain about the $700 billion financial industry bailout in September, Wurzelbacher said: “When I was on the bus with him, I asked him a lot of questions about the bailout because most Americans did not want that to happen.”
“I asked him some pretty direct questions,” he continued. “Some of the answers you guys are gonna receive — they appalled me, absolutely. I was angry. In fact I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.”
Wow. How about that. Mileage is your own of course, but as I see it, seeing that no one had even heard of Joe the Plumber before McCain made him famous, you'd think he'd have a bit more gratitude. I've spoken about the secret disgust the right has for McCain, and I suspect it won't take long for McCain to get the blame for losing the election. As for Palin, Joe the Plumber had nothing but praise:
While Wurzelbacher was critical of McCain during the interview, he had nothing but praise for his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “Sarah Palin is absolutely the real deal,” he said.
Alrighty then.
aint that peculiar?
Well, presume we give him the benefit of the doubt about ulterior motives, for the sake of argument. Then it's a choice between saying nothing out of gratitude (and, I guess, loyalty) or speaking your mind about how you feel, based on what you have learned. It doesn't trouble me that JtP chose to keep speaking, and I don't think he owes McCain anything per se. JtP was given a spotlight because it served McCain's purposes. He wasn't just doing JtP a "solid."
Hopefully no one throws me under the bus for saying so, but the best description I can think of for JtP is unsophisticated. Such people prefer similar folks. We know well the schism in the GOP between true believers and the more-independent minded folks like McCain. These latter folks wander off the reservation for various reasons, virtually all of which are considered hanging offenses by the folks who style themselves party-liners. We can presume at this point that both Palin and JtP stand with the GOP folks viewing themselves as priests of the real church of conservatism. [Whatever that means. And if I were to veer off course into that debate, I'd start by pointing out that while it means different things to different conservatives, that doesn't stop any of them from acting as though they have a superior understanding of the light and the way.]
I cheerfully acknowledge that there are two sides to the "sophistication" coin, so I hope folks don't presume that I call JtP unsophisticated as a pejorative. I am simply trying to be descriptive. In my mind, there's what you think about various things from a naive and idealistic perspective, and there's what you think about them after years and years of thought and effort and work. I come from a perspective that highly values the ability to evolve one's views based on thought, feedback, changing circumstances, and so on. So I view John McCain's independence and willingness to evolve as a positive. But I understand how it can be seen as corruption and disloyalty, etc., etc.
I'll be surprised if the true believer wing fails to continue to do its utmost to throw McCain under the bus as part of the ongoing postmortem. They must, as it ties closely into their core hypothesis that the party's recent failures are due to insufficient fealty to core principles.
This is how the fearless trek into the wilderness to cull those of insufficient faith works.
In my mind, there's what you
In my mind, there's what you think about various things from a naive and idealistic perspective, and there's what you think about them after years and years of thought and effort and work.
Nothing pejorative about that! At least, not if you're sophisticated enough.
I think "naive" is an exactly
I think "naive" is an exactly proper descriptive term for JtP. And, at this point, "tool." (Also descriptive, not necessarily pejorative.)
Having been in politics for quite a while, I can think of all sorts of very ordinary and everyday aspects that could shock and disgust the average naive citizen. The public wants to eat the sausage and drink the beer while staying blissfully ignorant of how either is made.
I agree w/your first
I agree w/your first paragraph. And I think he has just as much of a right to talk about things he thinks are wrong, for whatever reason. My only questions is, if he found it so off-putting, why did he stay on the "tour"?
In your experience, is it
In your experience, is it unusual for a candidate who loses an election to get the blame for losing the election?
LOL, anon. My first thought
LOL, anon. My first thought exactly.
Well, what I meant was, in the sense that the true believer
wing of the GOP believes that he threw the election away. As Brian said, McCain's loss will be blamed on his lack of ideological purity.
Could we perhaps reserve the 'True Believer' slur
for people who let their differences with McCain keep them from supporting him during the election, as Joe the Plumber did? (Over at Althouse, some fools are charging him with hypocrisy for that. You just can't win.)
I bet McCain can take the criticism
I don't think Joe ever realized it was about the issue raised and not about him. All in all it was a good thing for the campaign and for the US in general. It did bring focus to one issue: small business and tax burden. It also revealed candidate Obama's "sensibilities".
Of course that's water under the bridge now. What gets done is what's important now. (i.e talk=cheap) I'm still skeptical that President Obama can "restrain" congress but I'm certainly impressed at his focus.
PS He still needs to smile more.
How sharper than a serpent's
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless plumber.
Why gratitude?
Why should Joe feel gratitude towards McCain in particular? He didn't question Sen. Obama seeking fame, he just wanted to ask a question. The McCain camp then happily jumped on his growing popularity to use him for their own purposes. Suddenly Joe found himself in the spotlight. He didn't seem particularly upset by the spotlight, I suppose, but he probably didn't have any idea what the long-term consequences of the temporary fame might be.
At any rate, the McCain camp did absolutely zero for the benefit of Joe the Plumber; their motives were to help their candidate, not to altruistically benefit Joe. I don't see why Joe would owe them any particular loyalty at all.
I would bet his increased
I would bet his increased fame due to the McCain's camp "overusage" of Joe the Plumber helped Mr. Wurzlebacher's bank account (but then again, he'd then have to finally pay that back child support)
Pat, do you really think Joe the Plumber would have risen in
popularity that fast, if McCain hadn't seized on the moment and used him during the last debate? Surely, McCain was using Joe as much as Joe was using McCain (in retrospect, not the best deal McCain made), but as you said, Joe didn't seem too bothered by the fame, in fact he embraced it. Unless I've missed something, Joe would just be an aspiring plumber with righty views, if McCain hadn't put him on that bus. I didn't work out for McCain of course, but heck, that's reason enough for Joe to be grateful. Joe's on top, and McCain still lost.
circumstantial gratitude
Well, you can argue that someone should be grateful when actions taken by another help you out, regardless of the actor's motives. Nt unreasonable.
But how grateful? Personally, I'm more inclined towards gratitude when helpful actions were taken explicitly on my behalf. In this case, the benefits that accrued to JtP were merely a happy side effect. McCain highlighted JtP because it suited his own purposes. I don't doubt that if it had suited the campaign's purposes, JtP could have ended up under the bus instead of enjoying his free ride on it.