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What's the plan?

Submitted by Pat on Wed, 12/03/2008 - 9:51am

Map of East AfricaPresident-elect Obama has a grandmother and other relatives who live in Kenya. He's not terribly close to them, because he wasn't close with his father and they lived on another continent, but still, they're relatives (some by blood, some by marriage or African tradition). They live in Kenya, which, as small African nations go, is relatively stable. Certainly it is in far better shape (and a much closer ally of the U.S.) than its neighbors, Somalia, Ethiopia, and Uganda. But it's still a small African nation suffering from some political instability, and which earlier this year had a spate of politically-related violence which caused the U.S. to temporarily withdraw our Peace Corps personnel.

So here's my question. What's the plan for when a relative of the President of the United States is kidnapped by some thugs in Kenya? Hopefully, nobody would be that stupid, but there's a lot of bad guys in that part of the world, and they've been known to do a lot of things which we would consider stupid. Our government excels at drawing up contingency plans, so what's the plan for that one?

On the one hand, such an action is an attack not just on the individual, but on the United States itself, because the person is being targeted specifically because they are related to our President, and their intent (presumably) would be to affect his actions, affect the policy of the United States of America. We cannot tolerate such an attack.

On the other hand, Sen. Obama's relatives (many of them, at least) are not American citizens, and the attack would not be on American soil. We may have very little jurisdiction (if any), and would be entirely dependent on the Kenyan government to invite our assistance.

We could also not afford to capitulate to their demands, but the image of terrorists beheading an Obama relative would be a powerful image to terrorists, who revel when they can show the impotence of America to stop them. Meanwhile, President Obama surely has some emotional attachment to such family members and would thus have a personal, emotional connection to the events, which would call into question his objectivity.

So would President Obama do a Bartlett and invoke the 25th Amendment? I would hope not, frankly (and not just because "Acting President Biden" scares the crap out of me), because that would give terrorists an enormous amount of power over our country, the ability to force a change in leadership during a crisis.

I think it's important to make clear in advance that President Obama would not step aside in such an event, and that the United States government would, while providing any assistance requested by a foreign goverment, consider that a Kenyan crime to be handled by the Kenyan authorities. We have long had a policy of not negotiating with terrorists, and we should continue that policy, even if that results in the terrorists killing their hostages. Doing anything else would encourage the terrorists and help them meet their objectives.

your hypo makes a good rationale

The best response is probably proactive and thus preemptive, I think.

Your hypothetical makes a strong rationale for at least inviting all of Obama's close blood relatives in places like Kenya to reside here in the United States. Expedited grants of extended visas make sense for all close relatives in kenya who wish to accept the invitation. Even citizenship doesn't seem that troublesome to me. There'd be some problem with drawing a line and limiting the number at a reasonable point, but that's manageable.

I know folks tend to balk at such actions because they smack of special privileged treatment. But to me it's a matter of pragmatism. Every person elected President is going to bring with him or her some unique baggage, right? So I am OK with any special treatment that fosters the President's ability to focus on the jobby dealing preemptively with scenarios that can easily be envisioned.

If any given relative chooses to decline such an offer, I think it ought to be done advisedly. In other words, you make the offer clear, and then if it's turned down, you make clear that if certain eventualities occur, they may find themselves on their own. What I don't think I'd like to see is exporting a contingent of secret service agents. That seems likely to encourage as much mischief as it would curtail.

It would be political

It would be political (electoral) suicide on Obama's part.

I like it.

I'd go along with that

I'd go along with bringing the relatives to the states. Here, they don't need Sec. Service protection, and Obama can afford a couple of houses to put them in.

I hear the Boston Housing

I hear the Boston Housing Authority is willing to do their part. :-)

double double standards

Yeah, that's an interesting story I was surprised didn't get more national play. Like I said before, people have such a peculiar reaction to anything that smacks of special treatment, even if it makes sense. We're still very anti-aristocratic, I guess.

The odd thing with Obama's aunt here is that you can pretty much predict some folks will complain loudly if and when Obama or his proxies intervene to stop her from being say deported. But no one would have even noticed in the first place if not for the celebrity connection.

There's no accounting for folks' schizophrenic tendencies on isues of immigration and special treatment, but I think there's a point when the President just has to throw his weight around a little tiny bit and if folks don't like it, too bad.

But no one would have even

But no one would have even noticed in the first place if not for the celebrity connection.

The court certainly noticed when it issued her deportation order. If the BHA and the people of Boston have no problem with it and skipped the records checks, that doesn't very speak well of them. Do the 20,000 legal Bostonians on that waiting list have an opinion? ;-)

I'm afraid you'll need to be more specific about what you believe the double standard is that is being employed, and who's employing it.

The first double standard I

The first double standard I was referring to is the general one where celebrities of various stripes (actors, politicans, wealthy folks) either get better treatment from the system due to their status, or can use their money to ensure better treatment, such as by hiring a phalanx of lawyers and consultants and PR folks. The "it's good to be king" phenomenon.

The 2nd double standard is the one where celebrities folks are on occasion subjected to much HIGHER scrutiny due to their celebrity status. The "lonely is the head that wears the crown" phenomenon.

I'm simply noticing these things, I am not making any sort of hypothesis beyond that. Maybe they balance out on average, but probably only as a sum of vastly disparate arbitrary-seeming outcomes, I guess. What do you think?

I'm not really interested in turning this into an argument about immigration or about Barack Obama. If I was wrong and Obama's aunt had been both noticed and also singled out for expedient direct action by the system prior to her nephew's rise to prominence, that's my bad, I just missed it when I read this story weeks ago.

I've also got no particular interest in defending any part of the baroque, labrynthine, and often corrupt civil systems that administer public housing.

It is an interesting

It is an interesting question, and altogether too probable. I hope it doesn't happen, but it would certainly test the President in very painful ways, all of them no-win.

Interesting

I was just wondering yesterday who was the last President to have a parent born outside of the US.

It really bugs me that I

It really bugs me that I haven't a clue as to the answer. Bueller?

UPDATE: From a quick check...Jefferson's mother was born in England. Jackson's parents only hit American shores from Ireland about two weeks before he was born. There is some dispute about whether Andrew Johnson's father was born in England, or whether his father was born here. Chester Arthur's father was born in Ireland. Woodrow Wilson's mother was born in England.

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