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Submitted by Tully on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 2:39pm

NASA & AGW proponents blow it big-time.

The world has never seen such freezing heat

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

Smells like Gore Spirit!

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

This is the reliability and veracity level of that "consensus" science we've been warning you about. For reference, the illustration below gives you an idea of how much we've "suffered" from Global Warming over this last year.

The non-Hansen data from NOAA...

[H/T: Gateway Pundit]

Global warming does not preclude local variations

which tend to swing more wildly in the Global Warming models as they should with increasing numbers of record high and low temperatures. Like the economy, there are hot spots and cold spots but we're still going down in a recession as a whole. I can't help note the timing of your posting given the record high temperatures we're having the past week in the Bay Area (80's!) and the unseasonably high and record breaking temps around the election. Obviously God was smiling on Obama...

Record Highs Tue Nov 4 2008

Houghton Lake MI 70F
Wausau WI 70F tied 1975
Saginaw MI 71F tied 1964
Madison WI 72F
Marshfield WI 72F
Flint MI 72F tied 1978
Mason City IA 72F tied 1975
Wisconsin Rapids WI 73F
Waterloo IA 73F
Milwaukee WI 73F
Grand Rapids MI 73F
Rochester MN 74F
Oshkosh WI 74F
Sturgeon Bay WI 73F
Eau Claire WI 74F
Green Bay WI 74F **TIED WARMEST NOV TEMP NOV 9 1999**
LaCrosse WI 75F
Appleton WI 75F
Garden City KS 81F

IN CANADA
Wawa ON 13C 55F
North Bay ON 17.4C 63F
Geraldton ON 17.7C 64F
Markham ON 18.7C 66F
Saulte Ste Marie ON 19C 66F
Wiarton ON 20C 68F
Thunder Bay ON 20.4C 68F
Barrie ON 20.5C 69F
St Catherines/Niagara Falls ON 22.5C 73F
Collingwood ON 22.7C 73F (ski country)

and then last Friday in California and elsewhere. Got wicked hot in Oakland, where I live it's about 5 degrees warmer than the airport.

Record Highs Fri Nov 14 2008

Yakima WA 68F
San Francisco Airport CA 78F
Downtown Sacramento CA 78F tied 1995
Sacramento Airport CA 79F
Downtown San Francisco CA 80F
Red Bluff CA 81F
Downtown Oakland CA 82F
Oakland Airport CA 82F
Mobile AL 82F tied 1955
Pensacola FL 82F tied 1994
Vero Beach FL 85F tied 1972
Napa CA 86F
Salinas CA 86F
Daytona Beach FL 86F tied 1970
Orlando FL 88F
Lakeland FL 88F
Vista CA 90F
Burbank CA 91F
Yorba Linda CA 92F
Thermal CA 93F
Wild Animal Park CA 93F
Santa Ana CA 94F

Yesterday(11/15), in Oakland, the temperature reached 83, five degrees hotter than the previous high.

Marcus, this was not local,

Marcus, this was not local, this was the global numbers as a whole for October that were only skewed by extreme faulty data that any good scientist should have immediately questioned since the numbers were so far out of the norm. Ten degrees for a whole month should have been a red flag on data quality unless you are so blinded to what you want to see that it seems fine.

Of course you are right about local variations. Local variations have nothing to do with Global warming. Fact is that the climate models are failing verification badly right now. Which does make sense when the feature that the scientist are trying to focus all causality on is not affecting the climate to the degree they modeled. We really do need to look at the sun cycle. There does appear to be a higher correlation to average global temperature than is being considered.

I certainly do not say that there is no human effect. However, I think that the IPCC models are woefully inaccurate because they are statistical models. Statistical models only work if there is a correct evaluation of the factors of causation. When a model starts to verify, I will consider it. Anyone can go back and tweak numbers from year to year to make the model match what happened. A workable model should be able to come close in forecasting if it is to be a real model.

See above chart for last

See above chart for last twelve months for the ENTIRE NATION, Marcus. Them's not daily "local" variations. What YOU are citing is daily local variations, in isolation.

Of course, the 1990's was the hottest decade of the 20th century. Oh, wait, it actually wasn't...that was another Hansen data-fudging event! It was actually the 1930's that was the hottest.

Fact is that the climate models are failing verification badly right now. Which does make sense when the feature that the scientist are trying to focus all causality on is not affecting the climate to the degree they modeled. We really do need to look at the sun cycle.

Whoa there, Jim, wait just a minute. You're not seriously suggesting that the super-gynormous glowing ball of nuclear fire we see in the daytime sky might have a warming influence over temperatures here on Earth, are you? That's just crazy talk.

(You're utterly right about the sad state of GW modeling, of course, but you'll never convince Marcus using that silly Real Science stuff. Notice also that he does not provide his data source.)

ye of little science....

What we have here is a failure to appreciate just how big the earth is...among other things.

Area of the earth 196,940,400 square miles
Area of total US 3,679,245 square miles, less than 1.9% of the total area of the planet.
Local is local, whether it is US or Europe or Kenya or Napa Valley. If you want global, pick a hemisphere.
Continental US weather is greatly dependent on ocean surface temperatures in any given year. The El Nino temperature oscillations in the equatorial Pacific have a great effect on our weather, giving us everything from droughts with really cold winters to milder winter temps and lots of floods.

Now Tully, here's your science lesson:
Water has more heat capacity than air.
There's a lot more ocean water than air.
The ocean has a heck of a lot more heat capacity than the atmosphere.
Much of global warming is happening in the oceans and there are plenty of studies regarding ocean temps over just the past few decades let alone the past century.

We also have a direct record of solar output covering the last 30 years.
I love peer reviewed papers. By real scientists.

http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/mpa/publications/preprints/pp2006/MPA2001.pdf

It's a good read, about the past 30 years of satellite data. The upshot, the solar energy input isn't changing much at all.
In fact the last half dozen years the output has dropped because we're approaching the solar minimum, which of course makes sunspot watching a little more boring because there aren't many for me to see via my telescope. So if the deniers are right, the WHOLE earth should be cooling and ocean temps should be dropping or at least not rising with the variations in the solar cycle.

Coincidently, we have NOAA survey of land and ocean surface temps....
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/trends.html
shows the temperature trends during 1979-2003 as well as a global time series going back a century. Sorry deniers, you'll have to find something else.

Given the transfers of heat between water and ocean there are always going to be localized variations in temperature in the air that are either colder or warmer than "normal" but the overall global temperature is not indicated solely by the less important atmospheric temperatures as it is by ocean temperatures.
Hence, we could easily have a cold spell in the US or even a cold year or two or three but overall the earth's surface is still warming.

Science marches on....and you guys are in serious need of remedial meteorology and climatology, and by trying to make US temps an indicator of global temps maybe basic geography too. No I won't lend out my two volumes of climatology by Mikhail Budyko who was way ahead of his time in understanding climate change, partly because I had to pay more than 77 bucks for one of them in 1978(Small print run and of course translated from Russian). That's when 77 bucks was really 77 bucks. But you can get them on Amazon.

Damn, server ate my reply. I

Damn, server ate my reply. I will eviscerate your ignorance and avoidance of the actual post topic later, if I can spare the time. I'm not the one in need of remedial anything--I was a governmental reviewer for IPCC4 and am quite aware of the shortcomings of the enormously flawed executive summary and the elegant-yet-reality-challenged modeling. I've written about them at some length here and elsewhere.

I will note that citing your decades-old Budyko volumes as support for anything other than your own psuedo-religious fundamentalist zeal is about as impressive as Mormons waving early Parley Pratt tracts at me as "proof" of the golden plates and the Angel Moroni.

First off, the oceans will

First off, the oceans will lag in cooling. Second, the land masses that show the most heating are also areas that are suffering from increased desertification from developmental pressures and urban growth. Third, who ever put those maps together was not a cartographer or they really did want to lie with maps. The Mercator projection used exaggerates the area with the some of the highest temperature changes (closer to the poles) because the of distortion of actual area.

The reason for the idea of sun cooling is coming into play from an extended minimum. As I also said, there is a lag in ocean response. Any reduction in solar radiation is going to take a couple of years to feed into ocean temps due to the stronger ability of water to hold heat when compared to air. Global SST anomalies have actually been normal to below normal the last two years. In some cases, they were well below normal. http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo.html

I do not deny the data. What I do deny is that without any doubt warming is manmade. What I question is the extent to which mans influence is being assigned and the cause. I feel that urban growth and urban heat island effects are an under accounted for influence. Take this article on the effects of urban growth on climate in China. Many of the land areas in the study you posted that showed high increases are also regions of increased desertification by human causes and urban growth.

As far as meteorology and geography, I should remind you that meteorology and climatology are not the same. Plus, I think I am just fine with my understanding of geography.

Late edit: I did not realize he had this work online already. Dr. Elsner is one of my graduate professors. He specializes in hurricane climatology. Here is his latest peer-reviewed papers on the impact of the solar cycle on tropical cyclone activity in the GOM and Caribbean.

You might also notice the

You might also notice the selective use of time trends and scales. :-) Since I wasn't trying to make a case for anything but simply noting the avid presentation of false data by Hansen, it doesn't affect my post at all. It is however rather damaging to whatever point Marcus was trying to make.

Complete agreement that not buying into the Holy doctrines of AGW does not remotely mean that one is claiming the exact opposite. The entire issue of climate change is characterized by how enormously much we don't know, by the uncertainty and incompleteness of what knowledge we do possess. That particular "denialist" straw man is a tiresome hack, yet it is inevitably the first one trotted out against heretics, as Marcus has so ably demonstrated. One Must Not Question the Holy Writ, not even to seek truth!

can you clarify

What I do deny is that without any doubt warming is manmade.

This sounds to me like you are questioning whether the data supports blaming human activity for warming. But the construction is a little bit odd. Am I interpreting you properly?
__________
I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole

Yeah. That was an

Yeah. That was an absolutely horrid statement. What I meant to say is that I think there is enough scientific doubt against the statement that man made influence in the form of CO2 is the primary and strongest cause of warming/climate change. Essentially, I am denying the scientific religion of AGW as presented by the likes of Al Gore. I think there is evidence of influence of other man made factors along with evidence of natural causes that the current discussion seems to want to whitewash in order to push the cause celeb and its economic interests.

Another cartographic

Another cartographic critique. I've been looking at GISS data and noticed a lot of the public map are using 1200KM smoothing of data. That causes huge distortions over areas with sparse or no data. Heck, that will flatten mountain ranges or extend mountain ranges depending on station location. I ran numbers at a smaller (but still excessive, IMHO) 250KM range and saw my delta T anomaly temperature change by .5 degrees centigrade for global. A 1200KM smoothing extrapolation looks nice for presentation purposes but is complete garbage for scientific purposes. If I could get away with that much extrapolation error in my studies, I would never have to work hard to find the correct answer. GIS is a dangerous tool when used incorrectly.

Marcus, read the part...

Not that it will change your religious fervor in this ultimately unsupported destruction-myth, Marcus, but you should read this report more closely. Note in particular the part where the people responsible for reporting the data used in the primary global warming model admit that they aren't able to exercise quality control over the fundamental data, which are supplied by others. In this particular case, the data was supplied by Russia, but if they have no basic quality control mechanisms in place (and clearly they don't, if they didn't catch data as obviously wrong as this), then we have no way of knowing how many other errors have been made in the reported data which have as yet not been caught.

And Marcus, your comment reaches new heights of the absurd. You ignore the aggregated, county-level data provided in the post, on the grounds that there will always be local variations, and in support of this (and your claim that the world is warming due to human intervention), you provide city-level data. Tully provided a map showing aggregated data for the entire country, and you say "nope, could be regional variation, take a look at these individual cities!" Sheesh.

Oh, and as a substantive aside, I'd point out that most of the hot spots shown on the country-level map are in dense urban areas... which would be consistent with the alternative theory, that increasing measured global temperatures are artifacts of environments changing in the immediate vicinity of the temperature sensors themselves. If a sensor was on an open plain, and then a suburb crops up around it, then the increased temperatures measured by that sensor tell us nothing about the overall temperature... perhaps it just tells us that a shade tree over the sensor has been cut down, or the new asphalt road located 2 feet away from the sensor is heating up a bit.

Climate change isn't about

Climate change isn't about month, or even a year. It's about longer-term averages. And even if global warming isn't happening or isn't happening because of human actions, the things being suggested (or pushed) by global change folks all seem very reasonable & good ideas to me.

*Yes, really, Simon's wife. Envy or pity me. ;)

Which things?

Which things seem reasonable? CAFE standards that are double what they are now? Carbon tax or carbon cap & trade system which would double or triple the cost of gas and electricity?

Certainly we should always continue efforts to minimize the human impact on our environment. We'll all be better off with a cheap alternative to imported oil.

The catch is that the climate change zealots want us to agree in advance that there's a massive problem, so that if we don't adopt their changes which would take us back to 19th century technology (or worse) or put half the country in the poor house, they can claim we want the earth to be annihilated.

The potential risks, and the general good of reducing our impact, do justify some costs. The real question is how great a cost... and that requires focusing more on specific policy proposals then on the (false, bogus) doom and gloom predictions.

Bingo. Previous CAFE

Bingo. Previous CAFE standards already cost us an estimated 2000+ lives a year in America. I'll be paying higher electric rates soon because our oh-so-suckup Dem guv had one of her appointees nix two coal plants on dubious grounds.

Rational cost/benefit analysis requires realistic and rational assessment of actual probabilities. Which we will never ever get from the AGW crowd--the modeling used is iffy enough tht it's useless for predictive purposes, as witness its ongoing lack of predictive correlation. Is it "reasonable" to throw away 3-4% of world GDP (the minimum cost of what AGW screamers demand) to please them? That's more than global rates of economic growth. They are essentially demanding permanent economic shrinkage.

and how many American and Iraqi lives

did our dubious energy policy cost?
How many trllions have been spent on imported oil and wars that could go to improving and saving lives in this country over the past 30 years?

Funny, well maybe not, how so many people in regular-sized cars get killed in SUV multi-collision accidents because of those offset bumpers.

CAFE stds kill but in a different way than you imply.

STATEMENT OF CLARENCE M. DITLOW

DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR AUTO SAFETY

On Reforming the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Standards
Before the

SENATE COMMITTEE on COMMERCE, SCIENCE AND TRANSPORTATION

Washington DC December 6, 2001
Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify on the safety aspects of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards for passenger cars and light trucks. The Center for Auto Safety (CAS) is a consumer group founded in 1970 that works to improve motor vehicle safety, fuel economy and quality.

CAS has supported and testified in favor of stringent motor vehicle fuel economy standards since the first hearings held by Congress in 1974 on what became the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA). Our position on safety and fuel economy has been constant over time: the technology exists to improve both the safety and fuel economy of motor vehicles.

In 1971, CAS criticized the original VW Beetle as one of the most unsafe vehicles ever built and pointed out that it didn?t have to be that way. It no longer is. The 2001 new Beetle is about 25% more fuel efficient than the old Beetle and is dramatically safer in both NHTSA frontal and IIHS offset crash tests.

The Beetle is not alone. Prior to CAFE, there were many models that weighed less than 2,000 pounds. The only vehicle under 2,000 pounds today is the Suzuki Vitara, which is an SUV. The 1,800 pound Civic of the mid-1970?s now weighs 2,600 pounds and gets 40-mpg versus 32-mpg. The Civic went from failing NHTSA 35-mph crash tests to getting 5 stars. The Pinto got replaced by the Escort; the Chevette by the Nova. All get better fuel economy and all are safer.

Overall, except for rollover performance, the inherent safety of passenger cars built to meet the 27.5 mpg CAFE standard is twice that of the older, heavier, more guzzling cars of the 1970's.1 Yet, despite the talk about the possibility that fuel economy might compromise safety, neither the auto industry nor the government has made safety a real priority then or now. We were not pushing the safety technology envelope in the mid-1970's and we are not pushing it now.

When one considers road transportation generally, the disparity in the weights of vehicles is much more important to occupant safety than the average weight of all vehicles sharing the road.
Furthermore, specific design features that affect the inherent safety of individual vehicles and their compatibility when they collide, often play a more important role than the weights of the individual vehicles. In the passenger car fleet, the disparity in vehicle weight has decreased dramatically.

Cars with inertia weights less than 2,500 pounds made up 10.8% of the 1975 new car fleet but only 2.6% of the model year 2000 cars. In contrast, passenger cars over in the 4,500 pound weight class and above made up 50% of the 1975 new car fleet but only 0.9% of the 2000 model new cars.

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These data suggest several conclusions that will help in considering the potential impact of future changes in vehicle fuel economy on safety. The major increase in LTVs used as substitutes for passenger cars in the vehicle fleet has kept the number of light vehicle occupant fatalities from falling as much as other crash statistics. The increased use of LTVs as substitutes for private passenger vehicles has produced at least 2,000 additional rollover fatalities annually.

The greater number of LTVs in the U.S. fleet has increased passenger car occupant fatalities in crashes with LTVs by more than 50 percent while passenger car occupant fatalities in crashes with other passenger cars decreased by nearly 50 percent. The consequence is that light vehicle occupant fatalities in two-vehicle crashes went down only about 10 percent while fatalities in single-vehicle crashes went down more than 25 percent from 1979 to 1999. This reduction was driven by a 45 percent reduction in passenger car single-vehicle crash fatalities. Two-vehicle crashes would have killed nearly 1,000 fewer people without the major increase in LTVs as passenger car substitutes.

more at
http://www.autosafety.org/2001-senate-cafe-testimony

Sorry I missed this

Sorry I missed this earlier...CAFE standards do indeed kill, and in more ways than one. I was referring to the 2000+/year deaths resulting strictly from lower-weight vehicles. The figure of 2000+/year CURRENT ONGOING COST IN LIVES come from the National Academy of Sciences, and has been confirmed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the American Insurance Association. This is simple physics that applies even in a one-car crash. Lighter and smaller breaks easier. Some but not remotely all of that problem is offset by improved safety technology. If not for that improved tech the price would be higher.

In addition to those 2000+ deaths a year, overall "fleet downsizing" from CAFE standards also led to roughly 20,000 additional incapacitating injuries and 140,000 additional total injuries per year. All of that without actually reducing national fuel consumption much if any--as the relative cost-per-mile of driving shrank, consumers responded in part by driving more miles.

The person you cite (Ditlow) as some sort of expert testimony is not a scientist of any kind that I can determine, but a paid agenda advocate for a Nader-founded and trial-lawyer-funded "consumer advocacy" organization, the "Center for Auto Safety." Note the COMPLETE lack of any traceable references to primary research sources for the "data" claimed in Ditlow's testimony.

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