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Whatever
and this is definitely one of them. Can someone explain to me what experience Leon Panetta has, that makes him fit to head the CIA?
Mr. Panetta has a reputation in Washington as a competent manager with strong background in budget issues, but has little hands-on intelligence experience. If confirmed by the Senate, he will take control of the agency most directly responsible for hunting senior Al Qaeda leaders around the globe, but one that has been buffeted since the Sept. 11 attacks by leadership changes and morale problems.
Given his background, Mr. Panetta is a somewhat unusual choice to lead the C.I.A., an agency that has been unwelcoming to previous directors perceived as outsiders, such as Stansfield M. Turner and John M. Deutch. But his selection points up the difficulty Mr. Obama had in finding a C.I.A. director with no connection to controversial counterterrorism programs of the Bush era.
I guess that's the issue, but you what, I think we need someone with at least some experience, right? Jane Harman would be a good choice, but she is seen by certain Lefties as being Bush-lite on wiretaps. Obama has been making a lot of sensible and pragmatic choices, and it was only a matter of time before he threw the Left a bone, but did he have to do it on this? It's the friggin' CIA we're talking about.
UPDATE: There appears to be the makings of an argument in favor of Panetta at work, that his experience as Chief of Staff, Congressman and manager will serve him as CIA chief. I was flipping channels and caught Bill Kristol of all people basically justifying the choice, and arguing that if the idea is to find a person with no ties to the Bush era, then it's the Left that'll end up being disappointed.
Who knows. I find the choice making more sense today than yesterday, but not by enough for me to be comfortable with it. Oh, and this from Andrew Sullivan is kinda mockworthy, and I think Althouse has a point here:
How is it obvious that Obama has found someone with the right skills? Where do these judgments come from? Do you think some people just have "good sense" and then they automatically know what is "never right" and what is "much less effective"? Whatever happened to deep knowledge and real-world experience? Now, you're willing to go on assertions of good character and a cocky belief in the soundness of what your instincts tell you is obvious and right? That attitude is positively... Bushian. And I remember when Andrew Sullivan loved exactly that about Bush.
ADDED: After thinking it over some more, and reading the comments, this pick sounds a lot less crazy now than it did a few days ago. I'm still concerned, but I'm willing to let Obama make the case.
This one does bother me. I'm
This one does bother me. I'm sure he could have found someone with some intelligence experience who was "not involved" with the Bush years. That sounds like a cop out. Of course, if Obama just wants to gut the CIA, putting someone like Panetta in charge could go a long way to accomplishing it.
I second that Jim. Tully
I second that Jim. Tully please tell me this isn't a crazy pick.
Crazy is as crazy does. It's
Crazy is as crazy does. It's startling, but not totally facially stupid. Panetta has some superior skills, the question is, will they translate well to the intel community? Lord knows the CIA needs a kick-ass organizational nut-cutter, and Panetta has some history at that. It's a gamble, but most appointments are. I have no way to assess the odds there.
Aside: Methinks that some Prez-elect is placing MUCH weight on the advice of a certain ex-Prez ex-Senator political married couple. The evidence suggests that the final deal there was far more Byzantine than either Pat or I dared predict, but was most certainly made and sealed in blood. Probably under a full moon, sometime near the summer solstice. YMMV.
Its a given the CIA needs a
Its a given the CIA needs a makeover, but not in the places Obama thinks. Our human intelligence sectors need massive revamping and increased attention given to them. Its human intelligence that helps us stop terrorists, not just wiretaps.
good arguments
Well obviously in the terrorist-centric environment we currently perceive, a very strong argument can be made for the necessity of appointing an experienced and tough-minded person to be Boss Spy. And I don't really disagree with any of the good points that comprise that argument.
However, it's also true that the rationale for the relatively unpopular and costly ongoing Iraq war/occupation was constructed on a base of what turned out to extraordinarily crappy intelligence. Why was it crappy? I don't know, but I do know that it always makes sense to look askance at anyone who suggests they can do a much better job next time using all or most of the same processes, if only they have more resources.
So I also lend credence to the basic suggestion that the CIA and other intelligence agencies may merit overhaul. Whether any such overhaul were to be positive or detrimental would depend on the nature of that overhaul. Anything that leans towards handing the keys over to folks who count as (let's call them) dovish internationalists would in my opinion be a big mistake.
Makes sense Brian. The way
Makes sense Brian. The way the Press is spinning it, Obama seems to be prevented from a pick that has any links what so ever to Bush. Who the hell can prevent him from picking a more seasoned expert?
I don't think Paneta a dovish internationalist, but the overhaul you suggest must be done by someone with a great understanding of intelligence operations. Our dire security situation is reflected in how many turned the job down. Maybe they suspect things we don't. So far, this one pick that stands out as poor. Wow, so many Clintonistas - afact that is more than ironic, don't you think?
I am pleased that Dingle is being considered by Republicans and some Democrats to replace Pelosi. I can only wish.....
Your post, and thinking about
Your post, and thinking about the CIA appointment and the CIA more generally, put me in mind of this post by Callimachus on Done With Mirrors a couple of years back. I think I sounded some cautionary notes at the time in comments (since closed at the abandoned blog, and I don't know whether my access to Haloscan still works) and still have some question marks about the conclusion/suggestion, it's still a fine piece, with some background, perspective and a POV all of which might be worth considering as we review where we are now and decisions that have been/may be made going forward.
Just tossing it out there for others' perusal (not to spark a discussion for myself) ... .
My first thought
My first thought was "Huh!? I hope we don't revist the Frank Church years
And for a second 'Huh?'
How about Dr. Sanjay Gupta for Surgeon General. I guess the office is not that big of a deal and I guess he might be as qualified as anyone else. I don't really know since I don't really know too many medical doctors to run this by. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Strange...maybe the Indian
Strange...maybe the Indian vote, but Gupta seemed to enjoy traveling and reporting on issues a bit far from medical on TV. Perhaps Chris can comment....
Well...
Some have questioned the value of the Surgeon General. Picks like Carmona and now ?Gupta do bring that question to the fore. If its just a "bully pulpit" position, then Dr. Gupta has the skill to speak from the pulpit. However, the Surgeon General is "is the principal advisor to the Secretary of Health and Human Services on public health and scientific issues". Dr. Gupta can probably do a good job of translating scientific issues to the public (though I have no idea if he has any scientific/research background) but can he advise the Sec. HHS?. OTOH to suggest that a neurosurgeon is capable of leading the public health service is laughable at best. To be fair, I only know Dr. Gupta from his CNN appearances. However, speaking as a physician with a Masters in Public Health, this feels like further neglect for America's public health. Now admittedly the "public health profession" is heavily politicized. (I just couldn't stand to join the American Public Health Association because it seemed so obsessed with liberal politics and less concerned with "good" public health science) Having said that, public health in America is neglected. Democrats over-politicize it and Republican neglect it.
Finally, I was equally dismayed when a certain pediatric surgeon was nominated for Surgeon General a long time ago. And yet, he turned out ok.
Addendum Reviewed some more info. OK he does have some research experience, though it is "procedure-based" (meaning he researched a particular surgical technique). Surgical research has its problems (not blinded, often not randomized. If you want an example of what I'm taling about, do search sometime on "arthroscopy for knee osteoarthritis"). And I have to give him props for confronting Michael Moore (that goes a long way in my book).
I'd kind of like to see at
I'd kind of like to see at least some experience in applied epidemiology and public health myself.
Democrats over-politicize it and Republican neglect it.
No argument.
Credentials!!!
We don't need no stinking credentials.