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Sen. Clinton's worst idea yet

Submitted by Pat on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 8:31am

As Tully mentioned briefly in the weekend round-up, Sen. Hillary Clinton has proposed a "national service academy" to train public servants for government work:

"I'm going to be asking a new generation to serve," she said. "I think just like our military academies, we need to give a totally all-paid education to young men and women who will serve their country in a public service position."

As someone who has spent most of my professional career working for the government, I think that public service can be a noble and rewarding profession, often understandably (if regrettably) maligned by our ultimate bosses, the people. Getting things done in government is not easy, and angering the wrong people (even when promoting great ideas) can quickly cut short your professional advancement or send you packing out the door. Most of us deserve more respect than we get.

Military academies make sense because the military is a very special, unusual sort of job. Ordinary university training does not prepare one to lead men (and increasingly women) into battle. It does not teach one how to mold excitable, hyperactive, undisciplined teenagers into clear-thinking professionals capable of operating $100 million pieces of equipment, with thousands of lives at stake.

Civilian public service, worthy as it is, however, requires no such specialized training. The rules are occasionally different than in the private sector (a LOT more record keeping, for example), but the jobs for the government, outside of law enforcement and the foreign service, are pretty much the same as in the private sector.

The public is already separated enough from government. Much of the highest bureaucracies of federal government are dominated by people like Sen. Clinton, graduates of Yale and Harvard, tightly connected to a relatively small group of like-minded people who bounce back and forth between the public and private sectors.

Why does Sen. Clinton wish to adopt a French program, Ecole Nationale d'Administration, which is under fire even in France? As long ago as 1995, Jacques Chirac warned of the dangers of a "dictatorship of a technocratic élite," the civil servants produced by a single school dedicated to producing "right-thinking" civil servants.

In a career of profoundly bad, leftist ideas, this just may be her worst ever. On a practical level, does she think that John Kerry's campaign was helped by his love affair with all things French?

(Edit, Tully: Chris Myers Asch, co-creator of the proposal, provides direct linkage to the proposal.)

I'm not sure about the Francophilia, and I hesitate to question

her motives, but this idea has drawbacks that ought to be obvious. What could start out as a well-intentioned program to train young citizens to work in government, could quiuckly turn into an army of heavy-handed bureaucrats.

Besides, considering the times, shouldn't the military academies take priority anyway?

"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

A decentralized approach...

If she really wants to promote government service, a much better proposal (equally unnecessary, in my view, but better than this) would be a scholarship or student-loan-forgiveness program aimed at encouraging more public-sector employees to obtain Masters of Public Administration degrees. The public-sector equivalent of the MBA, these graduate programs focus on management issues which are relatively unique to the public sector. Increasing the number of students taking such programs would also increase the number of faculty teaching them, and thus would also spur more research into public-sector management, to the benefit of all. And, although higher education is widely liberal in this country at the moment, it is not exclusively so. By spreading the students out to different schools around the country, you wouldn't have as great a risk of ideological indoctrination as you would have in a single school which would, most assuredly, be dominated by a particular political point of view.

Now THAT suggestion I heartily approve of

If she really wants to promote government service, a much better proposal (equally unnecessary, in my view, but better than this) would be a scholarship or student-loan-forgiveness program aimed at encouraging more public-sector employees to obtain Masters of Public Administration degrees.

Now THAT suggestion I heartily approve of. Of course I would, as that's exactly what we do locally--but then we have more than one good MPA program locally. Our current structures reward time-in-service with heirarchic advancement. As bureaucrats rise through the ranks they often have extensive experience of the functioning of their own narrow areas, but little in the way of applied management skills (either organizational or people) and extremely limited knowledge of other areas. Any move out of their own area of experience, and they're starting raw again because they simply don't have those skillsets other than through osmosis.

The specific primary objection I have to a "national academy" proposal is that of the creation of a technocratic elite as the basis for governmental bureaucracy, one with a rigid ideological POV. Though I can see how it would appeal to Ivy League alumni--in many areas, it already exists in a looser fashion in some strata of government.

The idea that one could have a single "public service academy" that was NOT rigidly ideological is laughable. The military academies are explicitly so, and for good reason. Who would get to set the traditions and principles of such a public service academy? Uh huh.

Hey, here's a radical idea. Why don't we beef up the teaching of history, civics, and responsible citizenship in regular schools? For everyone?

Now there's a plan.

"Hey, here's a radical idea. Why don't we beef up the teaching of history, civics, and responsible citizenship in regular schools? For everyone?

Sounds good to me.

"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

I agree Pat

but I think this might be floated to off-set Dodd's brilliant idea of a draft to supply Americorp more peace soldiers. Government could simply provide incentives for people wishing to go into existing programs, as you stated. Remember, Edwards wants to take 10,000 American professionals and send them abroad to fix infrastructure, poverty and insitutions. This seems to contradict his rant about Katrina lag time in help or bettering those questionable levees. I would argue much of this is Hillary's triangulation designed to blunt the coming increased attacks on her Bush/Cheney light status. Next, she might propose new government-run medical/nursing schools to supply more doctors and nurses. Supply is a problem, but there are ways to beef up the private sector. I am more interested in the details of her healthcare plan and what exactly she proposes to do in Iraq and Pakistan. I find it odd that Putin is steering away from Reid on Hamas. Wasn't it Putin who first invited Hamas to Moscow right after the "election" with ReidCo defending Hamas as the rightfully elected government of Palestinians? At some point Hillary will have to focus on pressing problems rather than re-design public service programs. At least this babble diverts attention from Gonzales and Iraq. She's trying to spin something that sounds positive and "progressive". LOL

And I disagree that this is her worst idea yet. There have been others......

What Tully said.

At least it is talking substance...

You're right, Max, at least it is talking substance, and not just whining about Bush. It may not be talking about the really difficult issues of the day, but at least it's not carping about the war and BushCo. Maybe the candidates are finally realizing that President Bush won't be on the ballot next year. Besides, they've got Pelosi, Reid, and Conyers (among others) to be the bad-guy investigatory pit-bulls.

Edwards' idea actually has some merit. Not in isolation, alas, but it would be very helpful in conjunction with a properly utilized military force. Bobby has written in the past about the need for such a supply of professionals in nation-building of the sort we are engaged in in Iraq.

Right again

but don't expect much from other Democrats. I think as things heat up, Hillary will become more isolated in her substance effort. I see this as her pre-emption against the "surge" coming before the week's end. As a New Yorker, perhaps she could comment on Bloomberg's congestion plans or even the Governor's huge problems having been nailed in a dirty trick against Bruno. Yes, let's move to substance. My comment about Edward's plan was that it is divorced from the military component as you rightly pointed out. The military can't nation-build alone.

Speaking about Bobby, major critics of Bush's surge plan (Brookings) has admitted the surge IS working and in great part due to the effort of those like Bobby pushing the plan he mentioned here and at Centerfield (get Tribal leaders against AQ).

Kudos for America's best new effort so far in Iraq.

I've done extensive work

I've done extensive work with Americorps' paid volunteers in several different programs. Pardon me while I contain my enthusiasm for an expansion of the program.

Edwards' idea might have some real merit--but aren't we just speaking of a better-paid better-credentialed Peace Corps there? A good idea, handled properly, but hardly novel. And it certainly does remind me of Bobby's thoughts on a civilian-expert corps as a military adjunct, one that could fill in the gaps on internal specialties in an increasingly specialized technical world.

Who cares about novel?

Very few, if any, of a president's ideas should be truly "novel." There are so many people involved in the work of analyzing and "solving" America's and the world's problems, that I imagine most ideas have been floated by somebody, somewhere, at some point. I'm happy to celebrate any politician who supports a good idea, novel or not. Doesn't make that politician a good candidate, of course, but it does mean he's supporting at least one good idea.

The real trick, as Bobby is learning the (very) hard and dangerous way, is to combine several good ideas into one solution which actually works.

The real trick

...is not just the combinations, but the application. If the rubber doesn't meet the road (and the right road at that) it's just tire-spinnin'. But I'm a cycnic, so factor that in too.

I don't really care if it's new or old, novel or rehashed. I care if it actually works. And that's all in the situational applications, and the people doing the implementing. Americorps is a good idea in theory that in my close observation in practice is mostly (though not entirely) a waste of money, and a politicized activist subsidy.

I think the idea of a civilian-expert corps has a LOT more merit than a "public service academy."

Perhaps

with your knowledge, you might forward your observations to Clinton in a effort to reform the program. I heard both positive and negative things about the program. I agree that bettering it comes before expansion, but you know how much the Clintons love Americorp.

Why do I immediately think of Social Work programs...

...where you cannot graduate until you have proven your commitment to "social justice." Maybe you wouln't be able to graduate from this program until you demonstrate your commitment to increasing departmental budgets.

This isn't just a campaign idea

As the co-founder of the idea to build the Public Service Academy, I appreciate the publicity that you have brought to the idea. Of course, I must disagree with your assessments. I urge you to find out more about the details of the idea by visiting:
http://www.uspublicserviceacademy.org. You can click on the "Learn More" tab to download our Draft Blueprint.

This is a bold idea that is capturing the imagination of young people across the country. I certainly hope you will join us!

Thanks,
Chris Myers Asch

Thanks for coming by, Chris,

Thanks for coming by, Chris, and we'll certainly check it out! I may well still have the same take after my own read, but I'd rather have the info up front for all than shuffled away. It deserves consideration on the actual plans, and not just on our generalized guesses.

I'm embedding your link here for easy one-click access.

Would you be willing to answer questions in the future, after we've had a chance to review?

Thank you for stopping by...

Thank you for stopping by, but I still think this idea is extraordinarily bad.

From your FAQ:

What kinds of jobs would Academy graduates do during their five-year service requirement?
Academy graduates will spend five years serving their nation by working as teachers, park rangers, police officers, border agents, and other critical public service jobs at the local, state, national and even international levels.

With a total student population of about 5,100, the Academy will offer degrees in education, criminal justice, the humanities in general, and what else? My state university offers programs that prepare its students for all of those jobs and more, but we have over 30,000 students. The skills needed to be a teacher are very different from the skills needed to be a police officer.

Moreover, you have no clear sense of purpose at this point. Below is your list of reasons for creating this Academy, followed by some pretty basic responses:

Why do we need to do this now?
We need to build a Public Service Academy for several reasons:
1) First, recent events have inspired a younger generation and imbued many young people with a sense of civic engagement not seen in decades. Unfortunately, many of these students are priced out of public service careers because they rack up so much debt while in school.

Both the federal government and many states provide for loan forgiveness or repayment for graduates who perform public service, either by teaching in poor areas or through other avenues. The House just passed a provision expanding such loan forgiveness.

Your figures said that this Academy will cost just $0.70 per American. Assuming this was based on about 300 million Americans, that means you anticipate a budget of $210 million. For that amount, you could provide $10,000 of student debt relief to 21,000 students across the country, 20 times more than are expected to graduate each year from the Academy. As the average student loan debt in 2000 was $16,000 [pdf] or so, this is a significant amount of money.

2) Second, we face a critical and growing shortage of public servants ? as baby boomers retire, we will need more teachers, more cops, more air traffic controllers, more everything.

There are 6.1 million teachers in the United States. There are over 675,000 sworn law enforcement officers (non-federal) in this country, with almost another 300,000 civilian employees of law enforcement agencies. There are over 12,000 special agents of the FBI, an agency with over 28,000 employees. I could go on, but you get my point.

Even if devoted SOLELY to producing teachers, your Academy would take 12 years to produce just 1% of the current number of teachers. At 5,100 students, the Academy would not amount to a drop in the bucket of any future needs. Your Academy is clearly aimed at producing managers not beat cops and teachers.

3) Finally, we currently have no national undergraduate institution dedicated to developing civilian leaders and meeting our nation?s critical needs. We offer our young people outstanding, federally-funded opportunities to go to college and serve their country in the military, but none to serve as a civilian.

What evidence is there that this lack has actually harmed our bureaucracies, at either the state or federal level? Civil Service jobs seem to have no trouble recruiting qualified candidates, despite often byzantine hiring regulations and qualifications. Moreover, there are a number of internship programs available at the federal level to offer young college graduates immediate experience across a wide spectrum of federal agencies. In high profile offices which are likely to provide a stepping-stone to remunerative private-sector employment, we seem quite capable of attracting, at the federal level, plenty of graduates from Ivy League and other elite universities. Indeed, a good friend of mine recently dropped out of a very prestigious law school to run the Teach for America office in a major city.

As noted above, if paying for college is what this is all about, that can be more easily (and far more cheaply) accomplished by scholarship programs across the country.

As I said in my post, public service is indeed a noble calling. But it's not the military. Except for police officers, we don't expect to be shot at on a regular basis. We mostly get to work in air conditioning. As a whole, we have mediocre pay, but strong health insurance and excellent retirement plans. We have to put up with a lot of crap, from the bad employees it's too difficult to fire to the crazy employees who see evil motives in every deviation from "the book" to elected officials who want to blame us for all the ills of government. But none of those problems are going to be solved by some National Academy of Public Service.

The inevitable result of your well-intentioned idea is to create an elite hierarchy of specially-trained people who will not do the grunt work of public service but who will step into the highest levels of government as "enlightened" leaders. The government bureaucracy is insulated enough from the population already. At least by going to a normal university and pursuing a normal degree, future bureaucrats must mix with the hoi polloi of the general population, people whose future lies more likely in the private sector rather than the public. Your Academy would remove even that mixing, increasing the divide the public and its servants, and do a profound disservice to us all.

Chris Asch...

Please forgive me for being so blunt in my above post. As my co-blogger Tully points out, we do indeed appreciate you stopping by to speak up for your proposal, even taking the time to register here at our site. I've known plenty of Teach for America alumni, and they are almost all decent, well-intentioned young people. Despite my leanings toward federalism, I think TfA has been a successful and worthwhile program in most respects. I mean no disrespect by my bluntness, and I have to admire anyone who is able to dream so boldly.

But I also think that strong debate is the crucible by which ideas are tested, and pulling punches on the merits of such debate serves no purpose but to prolong and obscure it.

Chris, given the expansion

of government and a short fall of revenue, don't you think this is more of a pressing concern? Perhaps the Democrats should start a school for Homeland Security. (HSU)

After all, Democrats seem to have issues with contracting security.

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