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Whatever
Apparently, the current plan by Secretary Paulson and the "leadership" in Congress is to have the Senate pass this bill, which has been loaded up with enough stuff to buy off support from both the liberal Democrats and the conservative Republicans who voted against the bailout bill before. The thinking is that the changes made to the plan (and the tax relief which was already in the works, but is now being bundled with the bailout), combined with the at least slight shift in calls to the switchboard after the market fall on Monday, will bring around enough votes to get it passed, particularly if the Senate goes first to add additional pressure to the deal.
I remain unconvinced of the need for any massive bailout at all. The SEC is easing the mark-to-market rule (which, as the linked article points out, itself is likely to cause a host of troubles down the road). That should allow the entities who are in trouble because their balance sheets appear technically insolvent as a result of the lack of a market for a goodly chunk of their assets.
The rest of the problem still seems to me to be primarily a result of firms with plenty of actual capital to lend refusing to lend it, because they fear that the firms they lend it to may have too much of this bad debt from the housing crisis and the earlier federal take-over of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and thus are poor credit risks. Well, that's the sort of panic reaction that stems from focusing on only one possible solution, in this case a big bailout from helpful Uncle Sam. I'm betting that if and when Uncle Sam says "you're on your own, kid," all those smart financial minds think a little harder, and find a way to keep making money during this crisis.
Meanwhile, our political leaders who were warned clearly about the coming crisis but failed to take action about it are loading up a bill in typical "bipartisan" style, designed to buy just enough votes for passage. And, as so often, they're doing it under the cover of CRISIS, to justify passing the bill before most folks can read it, much less really comprehend it. Remember all right-thinking people now object to the PATRIOT Act and criticize Congress for passing it under the emotional haze of 9/11. Why let them do that again?
But maybe it is necessary. A lot of smart people seem to be saying so (and a lot of smart people are saying the opposite). But whatever its merits, it is clearly a HUGE decision, one which should not be made lightly. And given the responsibility many of these same political leaders bear, we have little reason to trust them not to hide a multitude of sins in this bill.
So I ask for something simple. The public should demand that any bill lie over for ONE WEEK before final passage by the House of Representatives. We should have Congressional hearings during that week, with economists and bankers and captains of industry all going on the record about that bill, what its impact would be, and why its passage is essential. At the end of 3 or 4 days of hearings, every Congressmen should return to his or her district and spend 2 or 3 days meeting with constituents and local bankers and business owners. THEN they can fly back to Washington and vote.
Is ONE WEEK too much to ask before handing over control of a massive chunk of the economy to a single, un-elected man?
not so much to ask
Of course a week doesn't sound like much to ask. But i think it all depends on whether or not we are seeing ripple effects due to the lack of liquidity. There are already problems with things like States making local aid payments, businesses unable to get credit for regular purchases. consumer businesses like furniture stores being unable to extend financing.
Those are just anecdotal reports I have heard. The question I think is how widespread such occurrences currently are, and how quickly can they be expected to spread.
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I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole
One week? Heck, this
One week? Heck, this bloated Christmas Tree should never see the light of day. Give the people a bill that deals with the issue and only the issue on deck.
Anyone who votes for this bloated piece of junk loses my vote. If McCain goes anywhere near it, I am done with him. This thing is a budget buster in addition to being a horrible bailout attempt.
As far as Paulson goes, he created the problem, why should he be trusted? Count me in the furious pitchfork and torches crowd now. Paulson's my way or the highway stance has created this mess. He should be dumped forthwith.
The problem is, Jim...
The Congresscritters seem to suddenly think the pitchfork and torch brigade will be coming for them if they fail to vote for it. With a week's contemplation, I think the panic will subside and the odds of the monstrosity seeing the light of the President's signature pen will fall significantly.
since McCain strongly
Jim, since McCain strongly supports its passage I assume he's lost your vote ;).
Since Obama supports it too,
Since Obama supports it too, doesn't it join immigration in null issue land? Any issue where both candidates hold identical views drop out of the calculus entirely.
If the other guy weren't also supporting it...
Since we have to choose between only 2 candidates, and they both support it, one cannot reasonably use their position on this issue to decide which one to vote for. ;-)
McCain's support for this Senate crap sure doesn't make me like him more.
(Yeah, I know that was addressed to Jim, but I figured I'd chime in, too.)
have to think about how true that is
Hmm. If two guys have the same position on an issue, but such a position only changes your view of one of those guys, doesn't that suggest that a certain claculus ,i>could apply?
I mean,if one were working on the hypothesis that Obama was a fiscal liberal idiot but that McCain by contrast could be expected to support sounder policies, then current events are a counterexample to that hypothesis, right?
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I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole
If that were the only reason for my vote...
Sure, that could be the case. If one liked all of Obama's positions but, let's say, his stance on the war (i.e., suppose you were Joe Lieberman), but you considered that one issue the single most important factor on which to vote, and then Obama came around to your way of thinking on the war, then yeah, it would make sense to change your vote at that point.
But I think there are lots of reasons to vote for McCain besides his position on this issue. Obama's support for the bailout establishes further his fiscal liberal idiocy. McCain's support lessens by support for him, butin no way shifts my support to Obama.
Not a binary solution
If it is an either/or choice than it is a non-issue. However, that assumes that a vote must be given. From my point of view, it is not a binary choice. I can choose to withhold my vote from any candidate unless one or the other earns it. In much the same way I don't vote for some items, say a local airport commission, unless I have a clue about what I am voting on, I have every right not to vote for anyone as a way of showing displeasure for any of the choices while still voting on everything else.
I was not thrilled with either choice. I was going for McCain because I liked his fiscal stance. However, to me, this vote showed the stance to be a nuanced falsehood and that he is not the fiscal conservative I hoped he might be. Plus, I think he completely blew the chance to show leadership with the way he bungled everything in the last two weeks. McCain no longer has credibility on his positions with me. At this point I fail to see enough upside to allow him to earn my vote.
I should add that I was planning to withhold my vote for Bush four years ago. Some of his last minute talk on Social Security changed my mind. I felt betrayed when he did not lay political capital on the line and follow through by easily giving up. So, my cynic trigger is at a much lower level and McCain triggered it yesterday.
Yes. It is not so much
Yes.
It is not so much making me vote for the other guy as much as it is withholding my vote. I see no way a fiscal conservative can vote for this thing. All of the goodies attached to this make me ill.
Plus, it doesn't help that I see this plan as a long term disaster that will not accomplish its goal.
Bill just passed, 74-25. I supported this bill, but I can't
really celebrate. I don't think anyone really likes the idea of having to do this, but the cost of doing nothing is worse, in my view.
"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
John 16:33
The House is the big test...
What particularly enrages me is how they've loaded this bill up with unrelated crap, following same-old, same-old Congressional blame-shifting tactics. If this is a crisis, then the politicians should be acting like it, not reverting to type.
I've about made up my mind to vote for anybody who opposes this bill.
So that includes Bernie Sanders? :-)
Seriously though, the greasing with pork bothers me too, but I suspect this is how the game is played, and how the sausage is made. Maybe the House can get rid of some of it, and the bill still passes.
"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."
John 16:33
Seems like there's going to
Seems like there's going to be a lot of pressure on the House to pass it as is, to get it done by the end of the week.
I hope it works. My
I hope it works.
My opposition is mainly on the fact that I feel this is worse than doing nothing. I fear rampant inflation from a nosediving dollar in the next six months in addition to a severe recession when the plan has little effect on the credit market. I hope I am wrong.
PS If there is a bright side, it seems that Congress is uniting a lot of people, just not in a the way they want. ;)
There are TWO $700 billion bills at play
Q: "When is the last time someone asked you for ... seven ... hundred ... billion ... dollars?"
A: Last week. By you. With no oversight or review.
With all the focus on the campaign, the financial crisis, and the bailout package, there's been little coverage of Pelosi ramming through a $630 billion pork-laden, emergency spending bill. There's an estimated $19.1 billion in earmarks in it, but Representatives have said they don't even know what's in it for sure because they were given less than 24 hours to review the 1100-page monster.
So with the revised bailout plan and this bill together, we get tax cuts and spending increases. Yay!
worth hoping
Well, it's still OK to hope that McCain can get Obama to make some sort of nod, at least in principle, to the concept of earmark reform.
In fact, let's presume that Obama wins. Supposing he does, he'll most likely have BIG budget problems, right?What better time to embrace earmark reform than to make a showy extension of the olive branch to McCain on such an issue? If the President has public support for tamping down on earmarks, conceivably that gives him more power to funnel congresscritters' pet projects through the oval office.
Granted, not likely. But it would be an interesting move, and perhaps worthwhile given the fiscal circumstances the next President will face. We all know Obama won't have nearly enough money for the "rainbow and pony in every pot" plans he's been plumping. I'm hoping that if he wins, he's smart enough to disappoint partisans favoring big new expensive government programs. Federal solvency stands as good a chance of being an issue in 2009 as it ever has. Conceivably it's too big an issue for even a wishful free spender to ignore.