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WaPo Supports The Troops

Submitted by Tully on Wed, 01/31/2007 - 7:29pm

In their own very special way--by telling them to STFU! Kind of a combination of John "Dumb Students Get Stuck in Iraq" Kerry and Markos "Screw 'em--I Feel Nothing " Moulitsas.

These soldiers should be grateful that the American public, which by all polls overwhelmingly disapproves of the Iraq war and the President's handling of it, do still offer their support to them, and their respect....

....So, we pay the soldiers a decent wage, take care of their families, provide them with housing and medical care and vast social support systems and ship obscene amenities into the war zone for them, we support them in every possible way, and their attitude is that we should in addition roll over and play dead, defer to the military and the generals and let them fight their war, and give up our rights and responsibilities to speak up because they are above society?....

....But it is the United States and instead this NBC report is just an ugly reminder of the price we pay for a mercenary - oops sorry, volunteer - force that thinks it is doing the dirty work....

....I'll accept that the soldiers, in order to soldier on, have to believe that they are manning the parapet, and that's where their frustrations come in. I'll accept as well that they are young and naïve and are frustrated with their own lack of progress and the never changing situation in Iraq. Cut off from society and constantly told that everyone supports them, no wonder the debate back home confuses them.

The author? Washington Post "National Security" columnist William Arkin.

But they support the troops! Except when they don't. Like when the troops have the audacity to actually speak for themselves, which is what Arkin is responding to.

[Hat tip to Powerline. Cross-posted to Rathergate.]

Is this real? Is this a parody?

The unhinged nature of this astounds me. I mean, the malevolent ingratitude of the anti-war extreme doesn't surprise me, but this is the Washington Post, for God's sake. I don't think even Kos goes this far.

Just to add, I'm a supporter of the war, but I do believe one can oppose the policy on principle, and still support the troops, but one must back them while they're there. You can't tear down what they are doing. You can criticize the leadership (and there's certainly room for that), but in order to support the troops for real, you have to support what they're doing, and hope for success.

"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

I'm afraid it's real, Rafique...

He really is a reporter for the Washington Post, and he really wrote this. It's not a print column, but it is part of an official Washington Post blog. Disgusting. The Post better respond, forcefully and soon.

So whats next? Spitting on

So whats next? Spitting on returning troops and calling them baby killers? I think he needs to spend some time in Iraq on the front line.

Update: It has been a long time since something has made me so mad that I can not sleep. It is really hard to express my level of disgust. I am certainly not a rabid right wing rah-rah guy. I even voted for a Democrat for Senate last election(I could not bring myself to vote for Kathrine Harris nor take a chance she got it). Mr. Arkin's steaming pile has really fired up my somewhat dormant conservative side. I never wish harm on anyone; but I am considering a suspension of that rule at the moment. I am beyond disgust.

I'm with you, Jim...

I was having the same thoughts. Normally, I strongly disapprove of "I wish you had to spend a week in hell" kind of arguments, but I have a hard time channeling my disgust with this moron, and I really would like to see him spend just 24 hours on the front line, where my cousins are serving. "Obscene luxuries"????

That piece just oozes malevolent arrogance. This is vile

Consider this "gem":

Through every Abu Ghraib and Haditha, through every rape and murder, the American public has indulged those in uniform, accepting that the incidents were the product of bad apples or even of some administration or command order.

So, the whole military is responsible for Abu Ghraib and Haditha? WTF!?

And this:

These soldiers should be grateful that the American public, which by all polls overwhelmingly disapproves of the Iraq war and the President's handling of it, do still offer their support to them, and their respect.

Oh, THEY should be grateful? I guess giving their lives isn't enough? Their blood isn't enough? WE should be grateful for the fact that they choose to defend this country and its people despite of the lack of public support.

Oh, Mr. Arkin, you witless parasite.

"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

Media Crap

I have read this person before and he wasn't completely mad. What is the Post putting in the water cooler? Scott asked me at Centerfield if I thought the Democrats want to know if Iraq can be won (in a general sense). I said that if the news gets better and the blogosphere can pressure media to report it, then the polls may shift. I am sure some Democrats would like to see things get better. Most, I fear want payback, and are hoping everything gets worse so disaster sweeps them to victory in 2008. Bad strategy. This dolt is an example of how media (and not just the nutroot world) is influencing Americans to accept notions that ultimately threaten our very security. It is only the beginning of a long march to 2008. Trip wires span the Gulf. Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq all stand on the edge. Guess who holds the line. Our troops, their leaders and an American public bombarded by 24 news cycles of crap. AP bats 65% at best. I find it ironic the argument that science class is no place to grant equal time to both evolution and Intelligent Design is forgotten when personal distortion is given equal time with news in media space.

Not a Parody--at least not intentionally

Arkin is indeed the National and Homeland Security columnist for WaPo, as he was previously for the LA Times. He is also an MSNBC and NBC commentator and consultant on national security issues. His official WaPo bio is here.

Note the lack of specificity as to for whom he filled the posts of "nuclear weapons expert" and "on-the-ground study of the effects of military operations." That would be for Greenpeace, The Bureau of Atomic Scientists*, the Natural Resources Defense Council, and Human Rights Watch. His current email leads here. He claims to have been a military intelligence analyst in the US Army in the Carter years, but rank and unit assignment are notably missing from the resume. He also leaves out his ongoing anti-military acitivism.

This is what WaPo, LAT, MSNBC, NBC-TV, etc. consider to be a qualified expert on military affairs and an impartial journalist. Nope, no media bias here.

[*--the "Doomsday Clock" people]

That begs a question for Bobby

That begs a question for Bobby - the story says that:

I'm all for everyone expressing their opinion, even those who wear the uniform of the United States Army. But I also hope that military commanders took the soldiers aside after the story and explained to them why it wasn't for them to disapprove of the American people.

The soldiers on the video seemed like they were on duty and in uniform - are they in any danger of reprisals or stern talkings to by superiors, as Arkin suggests?

A point similar to Tully's recent one

This Arkin guy is clearly a bonafide buttpipe, a true wanker. It takes brass idiot-balls to lecture soldiers on gratitude, as though the folks providing some measure of emotional and financial support are the heroes, as opposed to the poor bastards laying their lives on the line for the sake of the safety and the security of dickheads like Arkin and his fellow ingrates. I can't think of a more bassackwards choice of topics to lecture our soldiers on.

He deserves the Person Who Doesn't Get It of the Year award.

These soldiers have every right as Americans to speak their minds, and I sure can't blame them for doing so. Still, whether speaking their minds is ultimately helpful or harmful is an open question. That's a similar point to one Tully made recently via analogy about the fine distinction between blaming a rape victim for provocation versus suggesting that being less provocative might have some utility in avoiding rape.

Simply, I'm saying that soldiers might be wise to use some discretion in exercising their free speech rights. They're free to join the debate of course, but they might find themselves wishing they hadn't. And to be clear, I'm not adressing any of the specific content of this recent mesaage, only talking about the general merits of the practice. It's similar to the issue of athletes talking or not talking to the media. Lots of athletes choose to just stay out of it and focus on their jobs, and there's merit to this approach.

By Pat: Brian, this thread is not the place for more general arguments about what other soldiers may or may not say. This thread is about these specific comments and the Washington Post drivel, period. If you wish to have a broader discussion about what soldiers should and should not say, kindly move it to the open thread. Thank you.

UPDATE:
My bad. I tried to strike it, but neither html form I found would take. I thought it was related, but now I see what you're going for. Next time just yell pigpile! :-) Seriously, what else is there to say after "what a _____!"

Absolute moral authority?

I guess living soldiers don't have absolute moral authority, only their parents, and only if they should happen to die.

And only if they oppose the

And only if they oppose the war. If they support what their children were doing, obviously those parents don't have absolute moral authority.

Right, Simon...

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