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"I do not fear Barack Obama. I even rather like him."

Submitted by Rafique on Sun, 11/02/2008 - 8:14pm

David Frum makes his case for John McCain. He has some entirely valid points in there, but I must respectfully disagree, as I'm for Obama. Frum's a first-class guy though, and proves that he is above the fray with this:

This is a great and greatly enduring country. It flourishes because of the genius of its institutions and the decent and moderate instincts of its people. I look to the American future with confidence always - under a President McCain preferably, under a President Obama if it must be.

Well said. Call me crazy, but I still contend that this election will come down to a choice between two good and decent men. I really believe that. My case for Obama is coming sometime tomorrow, if anyone's interested.

HT: Sully

I don't fear Obama. I fear

I don't fear Obama. I fear Congress. I really think that an Obama presidency will be one of the weakest since the 1800's. I feel that all of the shots will be coming from the Hill and there will be mixed messages.

There is absolutely nothing in Barak Obama's background that makes me think he is capable of getting the coming Congress from doing anything that is not what the party leadership wants. Nor do I believe one word of being post-partisan.

Obama may be a decent man; but he is an enigma to me. I can not help that his whole goal in his political life has been to get the job of President of the U.S. I think he will get the job. I just don't know what he has done to show that he is capable of being a good President. I half expect to see one of those kiddie leashes on him at the Inauguration with the end being in Nancy Pelosi's hand.

Only because...

I don't fear Obama. I fear Congress.

Only because you paid attention in civics class.:-)

There is absolutely nothing in Barak Obama's background that makes me think he is capable of getting the coming Congress from doing anything that is not what the party leadership wants. Nor do I believe one word of being post-partisan. Obama may be a decent man; but he is an enigma to me.

As I've said repeatedly, he's an empty suit.

black holes

If Obama is an empty suit, then the suits of George Bush and Sara Palin (as she has manifested herself so far) must be holding the political equivalent of black holes, some sort of negative energy that sucks the critical thinking skills out of a room. That's the only possibility if Obama is an empty suit.

Edit, Tully: Definitional CPD™. They never learn.
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I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole

There is a difference

There is a difference between an empty suit and a suit that just does not look right. I think you can argue that Bush's and Palin's suits don't seem to look right on them. I just have no idea what Obama's suit would look like on him because we do not know what we are getting. We know with Bush and Palin.

I will take a known over an unknown in this case. I feel I know a lot more about Palin in three months than I have learned about Barak Obama in two years.

looking good versus governing good

Oh, I'll disagree on appearance. I will always remember Sara Palin as the first person on a major ticket to wear a black skirt and a red leather jacket. :-) Come on now, she looks fantastic in that oufit. It's bound to become iconic.

I'm not all that interested here in any judgements about what I do and don't know about either candidate. (But at least what I don't yet know about Obama leaves me room for hope. Palin's endless river of cant may help me know more about her, but it's impossible for to see that as a positive).

My only point in responding to Tully here is to take issue with his characterization of Obama as an empty suit. That phrase is commonly used to suggest that one lacks genuine mental accuity and substance. Someone like Ted Knight on the old Mary Tyler Moore show.

I am happy to acknowledge that it's worth questioning what Obama can and will deliver, but I find the description "empty suit" so extraordinarily inapt that I am shocked someone with as much accuity as Tully is shopping it.

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I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole

My only point in responding

My only point in responding to Tully here is to take issue with his characterization of Obama as an empty suit. That phrase is commonly used to suggest that one lacks genuine mental accuity and substance.

Nope. In politics it's used to suggest they lack substance, not mental acuity, that they are pretty "on the rack" but ineffective at actual work, but make good front men for others. That they are political cotton candy, sweet and tasty but without nutrition. And that's exactly how I meant it. Obama's political record is sorely lacking in any substantive accomplishments outside of looking pretty and delivering well from a podium. People are investing in an image there, not a track record. Indeed, he works hard to keep much of his past obscure and under wraps. Have we seen his grades from Occidental College? Or Columbia? What about his Columbia senior thesis? His law practice client list? His Illinois Senate papers? What about his record of successes as a "community organizer?" Been one of those myself--and can point to actual accomplishments. Where are his? Ask, and get silence or diversionary double-talk.

In a couple of decades in politics I have known many empty suits. Their greatest skill is looking good while actually accomplishing little or nothing of any value (other than for themselves, that is). They make good front men for others--but are only as good as their team sponsors and staff. They make lousy stand-alone anything.

hmm

Well, that at least clears up your choice of phrase. I've never had that suggested to me.

In my understanding of common parlance, "empty suit" means that you only look good.
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I have often said, and oftener think, that this world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel. -Horace Walpole

I've called Obama an "empty

I've called Obama an "empty suit"--to me it means that Obama's political career has been groomed from the beginning by old party hacks, that he's just the face they're using to win elections because he has charisma. So while he's talking like he's an outsider, he's had people like Axelrod who've worked in politics for years encouraging his run for President, managing his campaign, and even telling him what positions to take and directing him on what to say to voters.

It doesn't mean he's dumb, it just means he's being used. I actually like Obama as a person and think when he's in interviews he sounds like a sensible guy, but on the campaign trail I think he's just "playing the game".

Here, Brian. This comes

Here, Brian. This comes close.

Pragmatism has its limits, I guess

"7) As a man, McCain is more pragmatic and more open to compromise in substance (and not just in verbal formulas) than Barack Obama. It?s a bad reflection on the McCain campaign that it has allowed the less ideological candidate to be depicted as the hot-head ? and the more ideological Obama to position himself as the moderate. But the failures of the campaign are reasons to punish the campaign managers, not the country."

"2) McCain has never compromised on free trade. Never. Not to win a primary, not to win a vote. Never."

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